Which nations most represent chaos or evil?

[sector24]

I think MA C'tis gets an honorable mention for chaos/evil. Even though their dominion doesn't kill population in the game, I imagine the miasma as an extremely hazardous event from a peasant's point of view. Maybe not evil in the "I starve kittens" kind of way, but perhaps evil in the way R'lyeh is evil.

(It's the apostrophe in their name that makes them treat humans so poorly)

[Cheezeninja]

The only two nations I view as truly evil are LA Ermor and R'lyeh, if victorious both essentially mean the end of all life on the planet.

I'm not sure where I get the distinction, but I marked EA Abysia as evil but not Mictlan. I wouldn't call Mictlan good either, but it's a nation of mere humans trying to survive against all sorts of nasties whereas Abysia was created by the direct intervention of creatures commonly thought to be inherently evil, and is still ruled by their descendants to this day. Also the focus on S in addition to B doesn't bode well for the future should they win.

[CUnknown]

Ryleh is totally evil, they starve kittens with the worst of them. Mind control? Calling C'thulu forth from the abyss? They are among the worst of the races, imo.

EA Ulm is a good nation, I have to disagree with KO. They are barbaric and opposed to civilization, but that's why they're good!

EA Pangea is also good, imo. They sacrifice virgins and destroy stuff in fits of bloodlust, but hey, wild nature demands blood sacrifice, and that stuff probably needed to be destroyed anyway.

I would say that MA or LA Marignon is among the worst of the nations as well. I know they summon angels and are very pious and relgious, but god doesn't everyone hate those kind of people. They are nazis.

I think good v evil is mostly a matter of opinion in this game, which is one reason why it is so cool.

[Professor_Dyar]

Considering how humans behave towards nature, I could entertain the idea that all of the human nations (okay, a few exceptions) are evil.

[sum1lost]

Professor_Dyar said:
Considering how humans behave towards nature, I could entertain the idea that all of the human nations (okay, a few exceptions) are evil.

I'm pretty sure that there is a big difference between 'careless and nearsighted about some nonsentient foliage' and 'enslaving all that is living, and then slaughtering it to summon the darkest demons of hell to serve your needs'

[Edi]

Let's just say that the new nations of Hinnom and Ashdod make even Niefelheim look pretty cuddly in comparison and the frost giants aren't exactly friendly toward humans...

[Kristoffer O]

Nah, it's mostly Hinnom that is decidedly unfriendly. They are cannibalistic and quite depraved, but their successors of Ashdod no longer eat population and has become quite civilized. A bit morbid perhaps, but not really evil. They might still be viewed as evil by humans I suppose.

Gath is quite nice, but a bit tyrannical vs the human majority of the nation. The hard core giants are probably considered evil by the humans, but the humans and some giants are quite benevolent.

[Professor_Dyar]

Heh, well, as I said, it is a defensible position that humans as a rule are evil - it's an equally defensible position that they are not.

Still, the fact remains that the vast majority of the nations in Dominions have some attributes that our modern society would regard as good and others that our society would regard as evil, and which are emphasized in the game is largely dependent upon who their pretender is. This is arguably true even of early and mid R'lyeh - the Elder Things in At the Mountains of Madness are no more and no less evil than human beings, and late R'lyeh is only evil because of its world-destroying dreamland dominion. There are also a handful of obvious good-evil dichotomies set within the same mythological backdrop, e.g. Tir'na n'Og versus Fomoria, Vanheim versus Helheim, Vanheim versus Niefelheim, Kailasa versus Lanka, etc. Apart from the bad sides of these pairings, the only other undeniably evil nations I can identify are late Ermor and late R'lyeh. Everybody else depends on your god.

[AdmiralZhao]

As someone who has a played many games as Mictlan, I really don't think they are as bad a people make out. Everyone always points to the blood sacrifices, but they never mention that Mictlan doesn't tax their blood provinces. And unlike the other nations, which conscript vast numbers of their citizens into the military, Mictlan relies on a small, elite, all-volunteer army of jaguar warriors. And even the few slaves they do conscript are used for garrison duty and filling out the defense of castles. They rarely have to face combat. Really, it is more like jury duty. Also, Mictlan has a strong commitment to abstinence-only sex education, which is more than you can say for the various Pangea's.