Rocket inconsistencies.

DRG · #1 February 15th, 2007, 10:56 AM

We made alterations to the code of both games weeks ago regarding secondary blast effects of those type of rockets so they are less deadly overall than before.

If you search through the threads I know you'll find other people complaining at one time or another that aircraft are useless at hitting anything which balances out your assertion that they are too deadly.

The Germans knew in 1944 that if you put a tank in the open ( "spotted" "with visibility set to 50" )when there were Jabos in the sky that tank was dead meat. You've rediscovered a historical truth .

We have no plans to further "de-tune" the aircraft .

Don

chuckfourth · #2 February 15th, 2007, 08:21 PM

Hi Don
OK I see you are one step ahead of me. I dont know if you have already done so but as well as rockets, bombs would also benefit from having there "secondary blast effects" adjusted. Bombs are of course even less/much less accurate than rockets... when delivered by fighter bombers.
British unit 731, a typhoon has 16 60 pounders attached to it I find this hard to believe. Unit 730 a typhoon and 492 a tempest have a more believable 12. But... I have been unable to find any references anywhere for either of these planes ever carrying any more than 8 rockets.
And lastly do you think that the ground attack aircraft should be more accurate (have a higher FC) than the 'ad hoc' fighter bombers?

DRG · #3 February 15th, 2007, 10:06 PM

Rockets are the same weapon class as bombs, the difference is they have a range >1 which makes them "rockets" so lowering the secondary effects of that class affects bombs AND rockets.... yes?

Re Typhoons. There are twelve Typhoons in the game. 8 of which have the correct weapon loadout. You managed to find two of the four that didn't. They have been corrected

All Typhoons have 15 FC.( Shturmovik and HS129's are 15 as well ) There are 656 attack aircraft in the game with FC of 2 or more ( no.. the number is not made up )and 378 with 10 FC or more there are over 40 aircraft with higher FC than Typhoons. That's the way the game works and has worked for years and it's not going to be changed

OK?

Don

chuckfourth · #4 February 15th, 2007, 10:49 PM

Ok, pending new info of course.
Best Chuck

DRG · #5 February 16th, 2007, 12:13 PM

Don't bother looking for "new Info" to "prove" whatever point you are trying to make. We are NOT ( repeat.... N O T ) changing the way ground attack aircraft are set up

Don

chuckfourth · #6 February 16th, 2007, 06:10 PM

Hi Don
OK, but what about old points? In my thread "ME262 wrong guns?" if you read my last two posts you will see that I tested and proved that it is possible to give the ground attack aircraft guns their correct armour penetration characteristics by removing the HEK value and substituting a sabot value. With the current set up using a HEK instead of a sabot value they may as well be firing plasticine not tungsten shot.
Thanks for your time, Chuck

DRG · #7 February 16th, 2007, 11:07 PM

I'll tell you what Chuck, I will go back and wade through that thread, run some tests and make some decisions as to what may or may not be justified and then when the patch is release you can be happy, or not and if you're not then you can do what we have been telling you to do since you first started complaining about the OOB's in this game..... change your OOB's to suit yourself.

Sometimes we both wonder why it is you bother to spend so much time with something you so obviously dislike or disagree with so much of.

Don

PanzerBob · #8 February 3rd, 2009, 03:22 AM

Good day all,

Test vs. Combat conditions for WWII Rockets. IIRC rockets seemed to be a good bet during their trials, but when put into use the results were rather poor in so far as actual armour killed. With that being said, if I understand correctly, their main effect (outside of scoring direct hits on armour and soft skin vehicles) was scaring the bejesus of those on the receiving end of a rocket attack. IIRC the warheads tended to be equal to roughly 5inch naval shells or worse in effect. At times this caused troops to abandon equipment even if not destroyed.

As far as game play goes, I find roughly the same effect tends to happen. As a result I tend to target embarked or massed troops with rockets, saving cannons for actual anti-armour work. As the Germans I tend to fear cannon armed CAS aircraft more than rocket armed in regards to losing Panzers. The Hurricane with the 40mm Cannons, Typhoons and Stumoviks have had great effects on my units at times. Even when launching my own airstrikes kills are a bonus but breaking the enemy is always more my aim.

Bob out