New Russian OOB (or SPR OOB)

[DRG]

OK. Please tell me what does this prove about post war formations ? I can see in 1944 this formation was created to utilize the new IS tanks better----- so granted----- There does appear to be a case for 5 tank companies but only in early 1944 and so far, only during the war.

Don

[KraMax]

The matter is that during war and after war there were regiments of heavy tanks and a brigade of heavy tanks. All of them Guards. Probably in brigades of heavy tanks there was other organizational-regular structure. I yet have not found these data. I will search further

[KraMax]

It is possible to make as follows: to leave an old variant of 7 tanks in company and new 5 tanks in company... I Think that both these have the right of a variant to existence.

[DRG]

OK but that does sound like a guess for those formations but I understand, sometimes we have to guess too.

On an unrelated matter can you site the source you used to give the 107mm B-11 RCL in your OOB a range of 30 ? We don't use maximum ranges for those weapons. If we did the US M40 would get considerably more than it has now. I know that sometimes finding info on weapons is difficult because not every source uses the same terminology ( or the standard they use varies from source to source ) but we aim to use "Practical" or "effective" range for things like the B-11 and I haven't found anything that indicates the B-11 had a 1500m "Practical" or "effective" range but if you do I'm interested in reading about it.

The info I have on the B-11 is..

Range (m):
Max Effective: 450
Max Aimed Range: 1,400 (est)

a second source gives this information

BK-883 - HEAT. Projectile 7.51 kg. Complete round 12.5 kg. Warhead 1.06 kg
of RDX/Aluminium. GK-2 PIBD fuze. Range: 450 m (effective) 1,400 m (max).
Penetration 381 mm. Muzzle velocity


or 9 for max effective and 28 for max aimed range and a penetration of 38 when translated to game terms

in contrast the US M40 shows

Range (m):
Maximum Effective: 1,350
Maximum Range: 2,745


or 27 and 55 hex range.

This explains the 27 range in the game for the US M40 though I have seen other figures that give it "around 1100m m using HEAT and HEP-T" so that would be 22 but 22 and 27 are at least close. The difference between the 9 range we give the B-11 ( 450m ) and the 30 you give ( 1500 m ) isn't so close so I'm curious where that came from ? Perhaps someone used the Max range in error?

Don

[KraMax]

Hello Don.

I have found here this source:

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/crewwpns.htm

And with surprise has found out that data published here - erroneous or inexact.

The explanation idle time - at me is the passport (or the instruction) to gun RCL B-10 and to gun RCL B-11. In them I subtracted that the shell flies with speed of 400 metres per second / and as all of us know at HEAT shells penetration does not change with distance increase. Then it turns out that on the source of the information specified by me - a shell let out of gun B-10 or B-11 - will fall to the earth in 1 second?

Here the links to the table of shooting for gun B-10:

www.pecypc.kz/kramax/b-10/212324.jpg
www.pecypc.kz/kramax/b-10/212326.jpg
www.pecypc.kz/kramax/b-10/212327.jpg
www.pecypc.kz/kramax/b-10/212328.jpg
www.pecypc.kz/kramax/b-10/212329.jpg
www.pecypc.kz/kramax/b-10/212330.jpg
www.pecypc.kz/kramax/b-10/212331.jpg
www.pecypc.kz/kramax/b-10/212332.jpg
www.pecypc.kz/kramax/b-10/212333.jpg
www.pecypc.kz/kramax/b-10/212334.jpg
www.pecypc.kz/kramax/b-10/212335.jpg
www.pecypc.kz/kramax/b-10/212336.jpg
www.pecypc.kz/kramax/b-10/212337.jpg

As we see aim range of shooting of 1430 metres. This distance a shell flies by for 5.3 seconds. Range of a direct shot - 390 metres. What is the direct shot is when the cross in a gun sight should be induced precisely at the tank (or the car) and for this purpose it is not necessary to enter amendments into a sight. But then it turns out if we take range of a direct shot then in game it is necessary to reduce this range at all tanks for a basis.

Aim range of shooting HEAT a shell - is specified in the table in a file 212333.jpg
Aim range of shooting HE a shell - is specified in the table in a file 212335.jpg

The item with. If I am interesting I can translate into English names of columns of tables.

Sorry for my bad English.

Best regards

[DRG]

Let's keep it short and simple. It makes it easier to translate

Ths source you quoted at the start agrees with all other data I have for that weapon. The effective range for the B-11 is 450 metres and the penetration is 380mm and effective range is the range we've used, or tried to use whenever possible, for all RCL's in the game.

Are you saying all the info on the B-11 available in English is wrong ?

Don

[KraMax]

I have shown you the table of shooting for a gun which stood out in army in hands crew this gun. What can be even more demonstrative than the instruction?
I speak about that that as you have told earlier, that probably there is some misunderstanding of the given information or difficulty of translate. I speak that it is impossible for instructions of range of shooting of guns B-10, B-11 and SPG-9 to use - data of range of a direct shot. These guns have a sight - with which help they can shoot on the distances specified by me.