Wish and Horrors

[Wrana]

Can only add that I completely agree. They removed angels from the common summons in Dom3, so a step in this direction was already made. With a Wish, though, it would possibly be more difficult...

[Aezeal]

who says R'lyeh is evil.. they are just different.. a higher being like a serpah understands

[Endoperez]

Exactly. Their "star city" "falling down from the heavens" would undoubtedly make a Seraph quite sad about their unreasonable fate.

It'd be interesting if Wishes for "angel", "seraph", "harbringer", etc etc various angels would instead summon one of the many possible kinds, with quite small chance of battle.

[Tuidjy]

> If I look at the stat line of the Seraph, I'm pretty sure that it's a
> lot more powerfull than a greater horror when equipped

This is debatable. Seraphs are powerful casters, etc. But there is at least one
horror than does about 320hp per turn of always-hit, unresistable damage.
I.e. if you are next to it, it kills you.

[ArkhanTheBlack]

>> who says R'lyeh is evil.. they are just different.. a higher being like a serpah understands

Last time I checked, enslaving a whole race (Atlanteans in this case) was considered evil. If the Seraph understands that as okay, he should get himself a new job as fallen angel or angel of death.


>> This is debatable. Seraphs are powerful casters, etc. But there is at least one horror than does about 320hp per turn of always-hit, unresistable damage. I.e. if you are next to it, it kills you.

Only the mid-strength greater horrors should be available. The one that killed my mage wasn't really that bad. However my pretender got once attacked by a real badass doing almost hundreds of damage points in a very short time. Fortunately my Kraken was too powerfull at this point (~1400 HP) even for such a nasty. But I agree, this horror type would be probably a bit over the top.

[Loren]

What if you wish for a greater horror and then have spells prepared to capture it. Does this work?

[Professor_Dyar]

Well, to quote the description of Late R'lyeh...

But the Void was not to be controlled, even by the Starspawns.

[ArkhanTheBlack]

>> Well, to quote the description of Late R'lyeh...

Well, I think there should be a chance that things go wrong and the horror has a 'bad day'. Using the void gate is risky too, but getting a super monster like a Vastness is really worth the risk. Summoning a greater horror from wish should therefore bear a risk too.

[capnq]

ArkhanTheBlack said: >> who says R'lyeh is evil.. they are just different.. a higher being like a serpah understands

Last time I checked, enslaving a whole race (Atlanteans in this case) was considered evil. If the Seraph understands that as okay, he should get himself a new job as fallen angel or angel of death.

"Seraph" is just a convenient label for an entity of a particular power level. Your version of the summoning spell will contact a compatibly aligned entity. "Horror" is a similar label that merely implies the entity is more likely to have its own agenda.

"Good" is the label for your worshippers; "evil" is everybody who opposes you. History is written by the winners.

[Edit] Afterthought: "last time [you] checked" was later than the mid-seventeenth century. Judging the past based on the moral and ethical standards of the present is just another case of the "us" versus "them" split that KO mentions in his reply.

[ArkhanTheBlack]

>> "Seraph" is just a convenient label for an entity of a particular power level.
No, it isn't! A seraph is an angel of the highest rank in christian religion (exists in jewish too, but it's not the highest rank there). Christian religion has very clear rules for 'good'. They are known as 10 commandments.

>> "Good" is the label for your worshippers; "evil" is everybody who opposes you. History is written by the winners.
That's just anarchism, nothing more.