The most dreadful (random) event?

[Edi]

Originally Posted by ano

Never met such one. Maybe it is nations specific?

No, it's not nation specific, but it's a rare event. Infor Vadul the Ancient Presence and his horde of manikins and mandragora wipe out something on the order of 75-90% of province pop and then attack it.

That one is the absolute worst, followed by plague events. Also a bit nation dependent, Gath has a temple cost of 800, so when they get the earthquake, that's a rather non-trivial loss. Many events are somewhat dependent on what stage of the game they happen, but the plague and manikin events are never good.

[HoneyBadger]

Lab isn't as cataclysmic, in my opinion. Very bad, but not the "most dreadful event". More expensive to replace, ofcourse, and maybe harder to fix since you can't alchemize gems to pay for a new lab, but not having a Lab won't kill you outright-where not having a Temple can and often will, if you're playing Mictlan for instance, or a low Dominion Pretender next to a high one.

[chrispedersen]

Not true honey. Losing a lab first turn, with an imprisoned pretender, and no mage build is a disaster, especially for nations that *have* to build commanders that require the lab.

I really think that some events should not occur in the first 3 turns. Sure, I realize that people take bad luck - but... you go to a lot of effort to setup a game - and then someone drops due to getting truly horrendous random events in the first turn.

There are just 5-6 events that shouldn't happen in the first year.

[Ironhawk]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

I really think that some events should not occur in the first 3 turns. Sure, I realize that people take bad luck - but... you go to a lot of effort to setup a game - and then someone drops due to getting truly horrendous random events in the first turn.

There are just 5-6 events that shouldn't happen in the first year.

No, I strongly disagree. If you take misfortune, you have to do it with the understanding that you are rolling the dice with your entire nation. Preventing the really bad events in the first year would make taking Misfortune practically a no-brainer since it extremely rapidly becomes less of a problem as your empire expands.

[Loren]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

Not true honey. Losing a lab first turn, with an imprisoned pretender, and no mage build is a disaster, especially for nations that *have* to build commanders that require the lab.

I really think that some events should not occur in the first 3 turns. Sure, I realize that people take bad luck - but... you go to a lot of effort to setup a game - and then someone drops due to getting truly horrendous random events in the first turn.

There are just 5-6 events that shouldn't happen in the first year.

I think what's needed is most bad events shouldn't be able to happen in the capital, period.

[konming]

Originally Posted by Loren

I think what's needed is most bad events shouldn't be able to happen in the capital, period.

Misfortune is already good for points, basically every guide you read out there points to misfortune. I do not see how removing one thing misfortune can possibly harm will help balance the game, or do anything else useful.

[Loren]

Originally Posted by konming

Misfortune is already good for points, basically every guide you read out there points to misfortune. I do not see how removing one thing misfortune can possibly harm will help balance the game, or do anything else useful.

The problem is that as it stands it's a big risk-taking. Maybe you get knocked out by a bad event early, if not you gain from having the points. You get imbalanced games when a player is taken out. The player who loses the gamble doesn't lose much because they quickly see they are dead, the player who wins the gamble has a better chance of winning.

I believe this sort of thing is harmful to the game. Remove bad events from the capital but make luck/misfortune have more of an effect elsewhere--perhaps raise the maximum number of events per turn, add some nastier events--Bogus II, just like the original except every turn he attacks what he thinks is the weakest adjacent province.

[Kristoffer O]

The Ancient presence has high growth and magic scale requirements IIRC. Possibly forest as well, but I'm uncertain on that one.

I think I would be smilingly furious if I got the Skögu-Kirke event

[Ballbarian]

Originally Posted by Kristoffer O

The Ancient presence has high growth and magic scale requirements IIRC. Possibly forest as well, but I'm uncertain on that one.

I think I would be smilingly furious if I got the Skögu-Kirke event

I have missed this one. What is the Skögu-Kirke event?
I gather from google that it may be tied to Sauromatian heroes?

[Edi]

Originally Posted by Ballbarian

I have missed this one. What is the Skögu-Kirke event?
I gather from google that it may be tied to Sauromatian heroes?

Read their descriptions and take a wild guess.

Kirke is the one who seduced Skögu, then kicked him out later, so if they happen into the same province and the event happens, one of them dies. I don't know which one as I haven't seen the event in question, but I expect Skögu kills Kirke.