Perpetuality - 62 Player MegaGame (Finished!)

[Velusion]

Download the Mega-age mod here: http://67.66.187.69/dominions3/mega-age.zip

You will need to extract these files/folders to your dominions3/mods folder. You will then be able to enable/disable the mod via the dom3 game menu > Preferences. You do not need to enable this mod to upload pretenders.

This info has also been posted to the first post in this thread.

[Cainehill]

Say - been an insane week, wrecked my new car and things went downhill from there. If I can still get in, I can have a good pretender in sometime Sunday, or .... a pretender in Saturday?

[Velusion]

Cainehill said:

Say - been an insane week, wrecked my new car and things went downhill from there. If I can still get in, I can have a good pretender in sometime Sunday, or .... a pretender in Saturday?



Currently we are full... but if someone drops or disappears before the game starts I can let you take over their spot.

[Jazzepi]

quantum_mechani said:

Teraswaerto said:

Shovah32 said:

Meglobob said:
Shame Gandalf, Jurri and Quantum are not playing.

Or perhaps they are...



You think its a pitty QM isnt playing? :p



He was snuffed in Manaburn. Isn't Abysia supposed to be weak?

Yes, yes, I know. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif


That's basicly the ultimate compliment, when people brag about winning a game against you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I (and I'm guessing Jurri too) avoided this game both because it's bound to be a total micromangement nightmare for people who really like to optimize, and because the unit limit is likely to mess it up.



I guess the key is to make as many units as quickly as possible.

Jazzepi

[Velusion]

Jazzepi said:

I guess the key is to make as many units as quickly as possible.

Jazzepi



If you read back a few pages we have reason to believe the limit might not exist anymore or has been raised. Specifically we have game logs showing more than 136K troops existing in the world - much more than the 100K limit everyone says there is.

The only way we will know for sure is to try...

[Velusion]

Status: 24/62 gods uploaded.

[Jazzepi]

Velusion said:

Jazzepi said:

I guess the key is to make as many units as quickly as possible.

Jazzepi



If you read back a few pages we have reason to believe the limit might not exist anymore or has been raised. Specifically we have game logs showing more than 136K troops existing in the world - much more than the 100K limit everyone says there is.

The only way we will know for sure is to try...



I was just teasing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Besides, the race I'm playing can't possibly outstrip Emor.

I'm curious though, I wonder if it'd be a viable strategy for them to simply sit and summon as many skeletons until the game hits its limit with the addition of their freespawn. Then every turn they could try to summon as many longdead as possible to replace what others have lost.

Jazzepi

[Shmonk]

Just a question pertaining to the new nations in 3.08, are there are banners for them? Just curious, looking at the streamers and standards mod I don't see icons for them (Tir na n'Og and Eriu). Not that I am either nation but noticed them missing when I viewed the preview image in the mod.

And this game will certainly be interesting.

[Velusion]

Shmonk said:
Just a question pertaining to the new nations in 3.08, are there are banners for them? Just curious, looking at the streamers and standards mod I don't see icons for them (Tir na n'Og and Eriu). Not that I am either nation but noticed them missing when I viewed the preview image in the mod.

And this game will certainly be interesting.



Nope - they will just have to make due with their original banners. Everyone should still be unique though.

BTW Zepath created those flags/standards for his own mod.... so a big "thank you" goes out to him (whoever he is)!

[Xanatos]

Hello!

My first time posting here, and I was hoping to join the 60 player game if thats possible, i really enjoy the game and wanna play some multiplayer, could someone please email me at Xanatos@triad.rr.com and show me what i need to do to get involved in some MP games?

Xanatos Nemos, Master of Shadows

[Velusion]

Xanatos said:
Hello!

My first time posting here, and I was hoping to join the 60 player game if thats possible, i really enjoy the game and wanna play some multiplayer, could someone please email me at Xanatos@triad.rr.com and show me what i need to do to get involved in some MP games?

Xanatos Nemos, Master of Shadows



Currently we are full... but if someone drops or disappears before the game starts I'll put you on the list to take over their spot. You will be stuck with that nation however...

[Velusion]

Status: 28/62 gods uploaded.

[Tichy]

Hi -- dumb question -- where do I put the mod files to get them to load. I've tried what I thought were the obvious places (map folder, main folder, main folder in a folder titled 'mods' that I created). No dice. I'm on a mac 10.4.8.

Thanks

[Velusion]

Extract the files and folders from the .zip file to the "mods" folder under the dominions3 folder. Make sure and leave the directory structure intact. At that point you should be able to go under prefernces > Mods and enable/disable it.

So your mods folder should have the .dm file and two folders after the extraction.

[Tichy]

That's the thing. My Dom3 folder doesn't have one.

On a mac it's an application icon that you can "open" as a folder by ctrl-clicking. Inside the Dom3 folder/app is a folder marked "contents". Inside that is "resources" where the maps folder lives, and two other folders: "MacOS", which only has the actual Dom3 app in it, and "Frameworks" which has SDL stuff.

I assume I should create a folder called mods, but I don't know where to put it. The few places I've tried don't make them available.

Thanks.

[Foodstamp]

Tichy there are a lot of Mac players on these boards. Try cross posting this on the main forum and I bet you will get an accurate fix to the problem in no time.

[Tichy]

Thanks, will do.

[Velusion]

Tichy said:
That's the thing. My Dom3 folder doesn't have one.

On a mac it's an application icon that you can "open" as a folder by ctrl-clicking. Inside the Dom3 folder/app is a folder marked "contents". Inside that is "resources" where the maps folder lives, and two other folders: "MacOS", which only has the actual Dom3 app in it, and "Frameworks" which has SDL stuff.

I assume I should create a folder called mods, but I don't know where to put it. The few places I've tried don't make them available.

Thanks.



Ahh... can't hey you there... I'm sure someone in the modding forums can help though...

[Velusion]

Update: 35/62 Gods uploaded

[Evilhomer]

Any chance we get to see the .map file ahead of the game start? Might do some tweaking with my build depending on things relevant to the map.

[Velusion]

Nope! The only person that got to look at that was DrP when he was setting things up. The rest of us get to discover it all as we go http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

[DrPraetorious]

I did give in to temptation and look at my own start location, I'm afraid - I had to look at the undocumented ones (Lanka, Eriu, Tir) to make sure I had the nation #s right - but I can't remember where they were - and that the map file loaded correctly with the mod (it does.) Other than that I have no idea, and I uploaded my pretender before I generated the map, so it can't have influenced my decisions (I took more productivity than I'm going to need.)

Some general facts -
* Every land start has at least three land neighbors, not counting swamp or wasteland. Most have more.

* Every sea start has at least three sea neighbors.

* There are at least three provinces between every pair of start locations.

* Nations with an amphibious or maritime component (unless I missed one) were guaranteed coastal start positions (there were more than enough to go around.) The coastal starts still have plenty of land neighbors.

Coastal may mean next-to-a-single-province-lake, or right on the ocean. Script doesn't care and I didn't check.

Other than that, I handed out positions in the order in which they were seeded, which is close enough to random.

[Evilhomer]

number of land provinces vs water provinces ? are the water provinces connected ?

[Velusion]

842 land 158 water. All the large bodies of water are connected.

[DrPraetorious]

Okay, I count four oceans (southeast, north-central, southwest, and small northwest, roughly.)

Southeast : 3
Southwest : 2
North-central : 2

So that ocean in the upper-left-hand-corner has no starts. Other than that, each body of water has at least 2, and yes, they are connected to eachother anyway.

Fortuantely I'm so drunk that i don't need to remember accidentally remembering exact province numbers deom what I just checked. Woo! FREEBIRD!

[Arameyan]

Hi,

I cant upload my god even if I connect succesfully. I see the nation list. When I try to drag the list down to select my nation its buggy: I cant manage to drag for long, the sliding bar return to the top automatically! Its very frustrating...

[Velusion]

Arameyan said:
Hi,

I cant upload my god even if I connect succesfully. I see the nation list. When I try to drag the list down to select my nation its buggy: I cant manage to drag for long, the sliding bar return to the top automatically! Its very frustrating...



Worse comes to worse you can email it to me (though I perfer people upload themselves).

Try restarting the PC and trying it again. If that doesn't work email it to me.

[Velusion]

Update: 38/62 Gods uploaded

Remember the due date is end of day Monday. If I don't have your gods by then I'm giving away your slots and/or making the nations AI.

[Kydorias]

For some reason the map attachment link isn't working for me.

[Morkilus]

I'm getting a 404 on the attachment, too.

[Gandalf Parker]

The attachments here seem broken again.
For an alternative you can get the map here.
Perpetuality Map on Dom3minions.com (http://www.dom3minions.com/RandomMaps/517122-perpetualitymap.zip)

[Shovah32]

My pretender may be a few hours late but it will be in.

[Arameyan]

Its weird, there was already a pretender god loaded for the LA Ctis... I overrided it. Maybe MA ctis and EA Ctis should check if they loaded well their pretender.

My pretender name is Lombric, just in case http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Velusion]

Gandalf Parker said:
The attachments here seem broken again.
For an alternative you can get the map here.
Perpetuality Map on Dom3minions.com (http://www.dom3minions.com/RandomMaps/517122-perpetualitymap.zip)



Thanks Gandalf!

[Velusion]

Update:

43/62 gods uploaded!

[RamsHead]

What can I say, I am a procrastinator.

[Shovah32]

I connected to the late age server and it simply tells me to pick a nation to play(but no nations show up as an option)...

[Velusion]

Update: 53/62 uploaded!

These are the only ones left (Some of them told me they will be a little late). Deadline is about 16 hours!

LA Tien Chi - jutetre (%10)
LA Agartha - Shovah32
MA Mictlan - Uskglass (%20)
MA Vanheim - GrayZ (%5)
MA Oceania - Tyrant
EA Vanheim - Stricklyrockers
EA Helheim - BigDisAwesome
EA Niefelheim - Honeybadger
EA TienChi - Vathmoth

[Velusion]

Shovah32 said:
I connected to the late age server and it simply tells me to pick a nation to play(but no nations show up as an option)...



Hmm... It is just a standard late game. Make sure you have disabled any mods. If that still doesn't work try restarting your PC and reconnecting. If it still doesn't work, see if you get the same response if you connect to the other age games...

[Velusion]

Also, I've decided that once we start I'll let the first turn be 48 hours - just in case people have problems with the mod.

[Shovah32]

Thanks for the catch there velusion. I had the mega-game mod up which moves all nations to MA.

[BigDisAwesome]

I have everything done except that hardest part. Picking a name!

Eh the hell with it. Whenever I have problems picking a name I fall back on a random video game reference. PREPARE TO FACE CHOP MASTER ONION!

[Morkilus]

BigDisAwesome said:PREPARE TO FACE CHOP MASTER ONION!



Dojo, casino, it's all in the mind.

[BigDisAwesome]

I was quite disappointed there wasn't room to fit "Chop Master Onion, The Kicker, The Puncher" as his name.

[Gandalf Parker]

For DnD gamers I used to tell them to take their full name, write it out, break it into syllables and rearrange them. You get a pronouncable name that is not you but still kindof you. In fact mine came up with names that felt right to different classes and Ive used them for decades.

For this game you might also include the name of the pretender, the nation, any favorite tv characters. But the key is scrambling the pieces. So Gandalf, Pangaea, Lord of the Wild, might give me Gandaea, Pandalf, Gandwild, Gangaea, Lorndalf, Lorild, Longwild.

With the list of non-provided pretenders, and a countdown going on, maybe some of the wannabe subs might go ahead and create some pretenders for the game and provide them in order to slip in at the last minute.

[Tichy]

"Gangaea"

Doesn't that make limbs turn different colors and fall off?
Or is it the one that makes it hurt when you pee?
I can never remember.

[Evilhomer]

It sounds like some horrible affliction that your pretender doesn't want for sure http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Wikd Thots]

Hey, he is Lord of the Wild. He draws Maenads to him with no effort at all. Wild party girls of the forest. What can I say? Everything has its pros and cons. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

The first thing I thought of was that it sounded like a popular forest weed that hobbits smoked.

[Velusion]

Sometime after midnight tonight (CST) I will post a list of those nations that still are unclaimed. Players who want in can claim those nations have 24 hours to do so - it will be on a first come first serve, you pick the nation basis. The seeding pop % will not change. Any nations that are unclaimed after 24 hours will be put on Might AI. .

You MUST wait for my post announcing what nations are left over though.

Players who were already awarded nations are not eligible to pick http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif...

[jutetrea]

I'll be getting my pretender in, just agonizing over decisions as its an unfamiliar nation.

[Xanatos]

I'm not very good at keeping up with these forums yet, but please email me if theres a spot i can take, at Xanatos@triad.rr.com!

~Xanatos Nemos, Master of Shadows

[HoneyBadger]

I scored EA Niefelheim!!!

Oh my toasty-warm little meat-sacks...there
shall be a reckoning.

My Pretender will be in as soon as possible, but I'm also working a *lot* this week. I'll try to get it in as soon as possible, but just in case we're a bit delayed, I'll email Velusion with exactly what I want-sorry, but between the network going down this week and the house-purchasing, I'm maxed out on time and bandwidth.

[Velusion]

HoneyBadger said:
I scored EA Niefelheim!!!

Oh my toasty-warm little meat-sacks...there
shall be a reckoning.

My Pretender will be in as soon as possible, but I'm also working a *lot* this week. I'll try to get it in as soon as possible, but just in case we're a bit delayed, I'll email Velusion with exactly what I want-sorry, but between the network going down this week and the house-purchasing, I'm maxed out on time and bandwidth.



edit: I got your information. I'll upload the god for ya. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[StrictlyRockers]

Scored EA Vanheim, my first choice. Uploading pretender. Ready to rock.

[Velusion]

Velusion said:
Sometime after midnight tonight (CST) I will post a list of those nations that still are unclaimed. Players who want in can claim those nations have 24 hours to do so - it will be on a first come first serve, you pick the nation basis. The seeding pop % will not change. Any nations that are unclaimed after 24 hours will be put on Might AI.

You MUST wait for my post announcing what nations are left over though.

Players who were already awarded nations are not eligible to pick http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif...



There is only one nation available - MA Mictlan. This nation comes with a 20% capital population bonus! If you want to play Mictlan please post here that you want it (that claims the spot) and then upload your pretender ASAP and post here again when complete!

First person to respond gets it!

[Wikd Thots]

ME!
I will. Sign me up.
****** ready now. God uploaded

[atul]

Everyone in! Are we starting yet? Are we starting yet? Aaaaaaa....

:E

[FAJ]

I hope we havent started yet; I can't connect to the server!

[Velusion]

Well looks like I accidentally cut when I should have copied so I'll need two people do re-upload their gods due to my fumbling. I've already sent GrayZ and DrP messages to re-upload to a different port.

Once I have those two we will start http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Sorry about that!

[DrPraetorious]

Mine is resent.

[Velusion]

FYI, GrayZ emailed me and said he would be uploading this evening when he got home - so we should start sometime tonight.

[CelestialGoblyn]

I have trouble downloading the map attached to the thread.

[atul]

The forum attachments may still be buggy, there's Gandalf's post somewhere in this thread with a link to the map on some website.

[tibbs]

I have the map in the /maps folder but when I try to create a new game to check out the map it doesn't show up in the list of maps...hmmm.

[DrPraetorious]

That's presumably because you only have the imagine file, tibbs. You don't need the map file to play, and Velusion doesn't want me handing it out because it has start locations on it.

[Shovah32]

But i thought people already got the map file? Maybe not.

[Gandalf Parker]

Yes all we got was the graphic image so it could show it to us in the game. All of the instructions for the map are processed already in our turn files so we dont really need the .map text file with all that. If you got the perpetuality.tga file from the zip and its in your maps directory then you are ok.

[Manuk]

Gandalf, you are not playing this game?

[Cor]

When are we starting?

[Velusion]

Cor said:
When are we starting?



tonight most likely

[Cor]

Velusion said:
tonight most likely



Cool.

[CelestialGoblyn]

Sorry, but I can't acces Gandalf's map page either.
http://www.dom3minions.com/downloads.htm
Doesn't work for me. Can maybe someone please send me the map file?
wylfin@tlen.pl is my mail.

[Gandalf Parker]

Manuk said:
Gandalf, you are not playing this game?


Im just helping it get setup and very interested in how it goes. I might host the next one.

[solo]

CelestialGoblyn said:
Sorry, but I can't acces Gandalf's map page either.
http://www.dom3minions.com/downloads.htm
Doesn't work for me. Can maybe someone please send me the map file?
wylfin@tlen.pl is my mail.



Sent.

[Gandalf Parker]

CelestialGoblyn said:
Sorry, but I can't acces Gandalf's map page either.
http://www.dom3minions.com/downloads.htm
Doesn't work for me. Can maybe someone please send me the map file?
wylfin@tlen.pl is my mail.


THat wasnt the link. If anyone else needs the map here is a link to it.
http://www.dom3minions.com/RandomMaps/517122-perpetualitymap.zip

[StrictlyRockers]

That link works great. Thanks Gandalf!

[GrayZ]

I've uploaded my god again, I think we're good to start.

[Velusion]

Ok game is up at:

IP: 67.66.187.69
Port: 15151

First turn is 48 hours, after that we go to 24 hour turns for 18 turns... good luck!

P.S. You will need to have the Mega-Age mod expanded to your mod folder and enabled before you play. Get it here if you haven't already:
http://67.66.187.69/dominions3/mega-age.zip

[RamsHead]

I was the first one to get my turn done! Yeah!

[Velusion]

RamsHead said:
I was the first one to get my turn done! Yeah!



Nuh uh. I was first! Had to make sure it worked... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Evilhomer]

a 1/3 of the flags can't be seen in the status page (where you see if people are connected or not)

[Velusion]

Evilhomer said:
a 1/3 of the flags can't be seen in the status page (where you see if people are connected or not)



Yep.

...

Nothing I can do about that. Just make sure your own turn is in http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Lingchih]

Nice map. Looks a little fuzzy at default resolution, but if you zoom out a bit, looks quite good. Don't know why LA Pan has a blank white shield for a standard, but what the hell.

[Velusion]

Lingchih said:
Nice map. Looks a little fuzzy at default resolution, but if you zoom out a bit, looks quite good. Don't know why LA Pan has a blank white shield for a standard, but what the hell.



Those should be independent provinces that are white!

[Velusion]

Game status page is here:
http://67.66.187.69/dominions3/stats.php?game=perpetuality

FYI The first turn will show lots of "missed orders" results. You can just ignore those until the second turn. I'm also not sure why it shoes "Early" era - but that isn't important.

Also - keep in mind that sometimes this page gets messed up. Go by the status in the GAME for the true due date/results.

[Velusion]

Finally I marked it as a standard victory condition rather than a provinces. This is is so the provinces graph will be useful. The victory condition will still be 650 provinces or the resignation of all other players.

I can manually tell how many provinces every person has exactly through the scores file.

[vfb]

It looks great! And works great! Thanks for going to all the work of setting this up.

Is there any chance you can put up the current scores.html on your site too? It's a lot easier to look at scores.html for the current numbers. The in-game graphs are great for trends, but to be able to read values for a specific nation early on, we'll probably have to disable-click at least 50 nations to get something legible.

[Salamander8]

Did my first turn before driving out to work this morning. The whole thing looks to be cool. I love these banners too. Are they unique to this game set-up?

[Velusion]

Salamander8 said:
Did my first turn before driving out to work this morning. The whole thing looks to be cool. I love these banners too. Are they unique to this game set-up?



Actually we are using Zepath's Streamers and Standards Mod here:
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=464354&page=&view=&sb=5&o =&fpart=3&vc=1

[Gandalf Parker]

Velusion said:
P.S. You will need to have the Mega-Age mod expanded to your mod folder and enabled before you play.


Actually just expanded. You only need to enable a mod in order to create a game with it.

If you are playing multiple games and they all use different mods then you dont need to turn them on and off each time you switch games. When you open a game that was created with a mod, then game will enable it while you are doing your turn.

But it does have to be unpacked in your mod directory so the game can turn it on during your move.

[Gandalf Parker]

Velusion said:
I'm also not sure why it shoes "Early" era - but that isn't important.


I think it gets that from the first part of the .2h file names. You might be able to add an "if Perpetuality" line.

[atul]

Works like a charm. And seeing the line-up of 62 nations in the setup screen is a grand sight. Congrats to Velusion and the other people making this possible, a game this large is not a small feat.

...now if only the game would host, looking at the neighbouring provinces I'm actually terrified of the indy mousetrap I might be in... *jittery*

[cupido2]

I have a problem: after choosing my nation I got the following error-message: "myloadmalloc: can't open ./mod/./sns3/ea_arco_icon.tga" although I downloaded the mod and enabled it. (doesn't work when I disable it either)

[atul]

What's your operating system? Of course you can go to the mod folder and check whether you have the ea_arco_icon.tga in the sns3 folder. Does the mod work if you make a game of your own?

[Gandalf Parker]

Wait for the scoreboard after the first turn processes. Seeing the weave of colors on the provinces or armies screen is really cool. Kindof like this
http://www.dom3minions.com/games/Armageddon/Armageddon.JPG
altho some improvements have been made in the display since that was taken.

The real headache of a game this big is that you have to manually create the game by the host "joining" as each of the nations. Thats the part that I dread.

[Velusion]

Make sure you have an snes folder under the mods folder and that hte snes folder has lots of .tga files in it!

[solo]

Sounds like the nation icons are not in the correct place.

The file downloaded with the mod should be extracted to your dominions3 mods folder. Afterwards, the mods folder should contain the mod itself, Mega-Age.dm, plus two new folders, the Mega folder, which contains the megabanner and the sens folder, which contains all of the nations' banner info, one of which is the ea_arco_icon.tga

These folders are probably not in the right place.

[cupido2]

Thanks everybody. Problem is solved. Somehow it hadn't created that sns-folder.

Turn done.

[davegg]

A few initial comments:

First, thanks to all the guys who worked to set this up!

Second, wow how much do you think the Shipwreckers will go for?

Third, Most important:

All the poor souls stuck in the middle need to form some kind of coalition to keep them from getting womped!

Anyone wishing to join the middle coalition please speak up!

[jutetrea]

Due to position, I have downgraded my survival goal to 30 turns.

re: coalition - I am intrigued by your thoughts and wish to subscribe to your newsletter

[Cor]

I am having trouble w/ the server.

I get to the getting info screen (The first screen after the you give the server port) and it seems to freeze. I wait about 4 mins and I get a Nagot Gick Fel! cannection to server was broken. What is the deal?

I am using 67.66.187.69 15151. Is it my firewall? How long should the wait be on the getting info screen?

[Velusion]

It probably is your firewall. It should connect in less than 30 seconds (usually less than 10). Opening up port 15151 on the firewall should do it...

If it is a software firewall, as a quick test you could disable it completely and just see if you can connect. if you can then you can fiddle with it more.

If it is a hardware firewall you will have to get into the device and configure it to allow port 15151 access.

[CelestialGoblyn]

re:Cor
Does your ISP have a firewall of their own?
If you have a firewall yourself, try turning it off.


Other matters: I'm willing to enter alliances with peace-loving nations of the North-West.

[Tyrant]

I also had a freeze when trying to upload the first time. I tried again just now and it worked.

[Wikd Thots]

Im getting it also. Maybe something with the paths on the internet

[Cor]

Yes! I got in. It was not my firewall. I have no idea what was going on.

[Wikd Thots]

I slipped in also. Sounds like something some of the other big games had. I forget how they fixed it.

[Wikd Thots]

Im thinking that my position makes me someones front door. Who ever is behind me in the lower left corner might ally with me. I will try to be a strong wall for they're buildup in return for being able to vulture the remains of their enemies when they finally decide to come out.

[tibbs]

I also had to reconnect. The first time I connected it just sat on the wait screen. Re-connecting let me right in.

[Zoshan]

MA Pythium seeks info on your Coalition Jutetrea. Feel free to pm me with any membership fees.

Zoshan

[Velusion]

Its probably just because so many people are connecting and downloading the map...

[BigDisAwesome]

This is great. First turn not even done and we're at 25 pages. I wonder if this will end up the biggest thread in the multiplayer forums.

[Arameyan]

And there's already coalitions http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Cor]

Sign me up for them middle coalition. (MA ULM)

[Evilhomer]

I think it will be impossible to win this game without a serious amount of scheming (alliances/NAP/trading etc), but i sure am looking forward to it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Fal]

NAP/alliance with Cthulhu? you gotta be mad....

[Evilhomer]

Bah, like i want a bunch of "we are so high and mighty" preacher boys on my side http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

[Gandalf Parker]

Fal said:
NAP/alliance with Cthulhu? you gotta be mad....


ROTFL
in case someone doesnt know, R'lyeh (based on Cthulhu) causes madness. Its a common theme in those novels.

[Evilhomer]

also my nation LA r'lyeh causes some madness ...

[CelestialGoblyn]

Whoever allies themselves with LA R'lyeh or LA Ermor should be considered a traitor to all the others.
To consort with such power is to invite doom towards all.

[FAJ]

How does madness work? Does it only cause insanity in its dominion, or also things adjacent to its dominion? Adjacent to its provinces?

[Evilhomer]

Only within dominion, and it only matters on your affected commanders. It actually hurt LA r'lyeh more than it's neighboors.

[Shovah32]

It causes insanity(up to 50%) in any province under his dominion.

As an added note, the nation of LA Agartha is looking for future buyers of research boosting and earth/death/fire boosting items, PM me for details.

[davegg]

The purpose of the middle coalition is to protect players in stuck in the middle of the map from being quickly crushed by simultaneous attacks from players on the edges or adjacent to water.

It will be defensive in nature. Members will pledge not to attack each other and to provide mutual support if any other member is attacked.

There are no fees and no newsletter, but if members want to tax and trade for mutual benefit, we should certainly discuss it. We might makeup tshirts, membership cards, group health insurance rates and/or hats should the situation warrant http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
So far it seems we have:

Jutetrea (what nation?)
MA Pythium
EA Ulm
MA Ulm

[Evilhomer]

Just a thought, scheme in private, that way people won't know what hit them http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[davegg]

Evilhomer, this is not a scheme but a deterrent; and so shall be public.

[LoloMo]

Is there a perimeter coalition? How about a seaside coalition versus? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

I think coalitions are deterrents.

[Fal]

and how about a 'everyone but LA R'lyeh and Ermor Coalition?

[RamsHead]

Looks like we are just waiting on Honeybadger. Mmmm, honey.

[Evilhomer]

nope, we are actually waiting for about 8 or so people

[RamsHead]

Oops! It appears that the missed a turns are turn pendings.

[Velusion]

Fal said:
and how about a 'everyone but LA R'lyeh and Ermor Coalition?



Are you feeling the love Evilhomer?

Actually - you guys should really worry about the rush-bless nations before us. LA Ermor and LA R'lyeh take awhile to "mature" - you usually don't have much to worry about them in the early game.

However the uber-bless nations are going to dominate everyone else (including LA Ermor and LA R'lyeh) quickly and completely. They are the ones that will own you before you even get a chance to get started.

[atul]

LoloMo said:
Is there a perimeter coalition? How about a seaside coalition versus?

Oh indeed. The promised land of seaside vacation, nation of Golden Beaches, MA Agartha is both looking forward to this kind of coalition _and_ ready to accept orders of the same kind as it's later age kin. Thank you. :>

[Saint_Dude]

Velusion said:

Fal said:
and how about a 'everyone but LA R'lyeh and Ermor Coalition?


Actually - you guys should really worry about the rush-bless nations before us. LA Ermor and LA R'lyeh take awhile to "mature" - you usually don't have much to worry about them in the early game.



Sounds like a good reason to take them out early, no?

[BigDisAwesome]

Saint_Dude said:

Velusion said:

Fal said:
and how about a 'everyone but LA R'lyeh and Ermor Coalition?


Actually - you guys should really worry about the rush-bless nations before us. LA Ermor and LA R'lyeh take awhile to "mature" - you usually don't have much to worry about them in the early game.



Sounds like a good reason to take them out early, no?



Hahahhahahahah
Poor Guys.

[Velusion]

Saint_Dude said:

Velusion said:

Fal said:
and how about a 'everyone but LA R'lyeh and Ermor Coalition?


Actually - you guys should really worry about the rush-bless nations before us. LA Ermor and LA R'lyeh take awhile to "mature" - you usually don't have much to worry about them in the early game.



Sounds like a good reason to take them out early, no?



That's a bit like changing your oil while your car is on fire. Preventive maintenance is always a good idea but ignoring the immediate threat of the fire is foolish.

But hey, if someone wants to pick a fight without even trying to be diplomatic please do go ahead and post here - I'll remember to immediately switch to kamikaze mode when we meet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif.

To all those who can at least discuss peace, you'll find me receptive.

[Baalz]

Bah, methinks it would be better to make friends with the rush -bless nations, their edge will fade over time...and in the mean time wouldn't you rather they fight with your mutual neighbor?

[Fate]

davegg said:
Second, wow how much do you think the Shipwreckers will go for?



I would be amazed if LA Ermor didn't take them for 400. But then... This is my first MP game! (I am very excited. I just hope I'm not the first to go...)

I would also like to thank the many people who worked on the mods and the server and the coordination to create this game. I am looking forward to it.

-Fate

[Kydorias]

Ok, finally did my turn. Looks like its just EA Niefelheim and EA Yomi left to go.

[WSzaboPeter]

The peace loving Arcoscephale under Sibylline Guidance (actually without Sibyls so far) would like to offer friendship and mutually beneficial trade agreements for anyone (including LA Ermor, since it's a well known fact, that our God was the cousin with the God of Ermor, but due to bad fortune in a contest he got the throne of Ermor... But we don't consider Ermorians as a menace, and not to mention being undead, since if you are undead you don't need to pay your taxes.) Long story short, good luck and have fun everyone. (And for blessrushers, we are not home... yet)

[Methel]

EA mictlan is offering a no rush policy. You pay us 20 gold on turn 2 and we wont rush you atleast untill turn 30 (barring that you close us in ofcourse)

Offer only good for turn 2 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[tibbs]

It looks like the badger is working on his turn now. So new turn should be up soon.

[atul]

It has had the same "Turn pending" message for hours now. So either there's something amiss or that pending message means that the .trn file has been downloaded but no .2h file has been uploaded.

...so, still waiting...

[tibbs]

Maybe he connected and then took a nap.

[Evilhomer]

bah, I want a new turn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Wikd Thots]

Even when he turns it in we have no idea how long it will take to process it. We might see it saying that everyone has done they're turn and it might sit on that for hours. Well maybe not the first one but later the turns might take hours.

[Shovah32]

Me too.

[Gandalf Parker]

Im pretty sure that he is running more computer than my server, and I have larger games running. It usually takes half an hour to process. I keep files that record the time and system load at the beginning and end of hosting. Here is one for a 75 nation game.
http://www.dom3minions.com/games/PvK-e-Oceania/system_load.txt

[Velusion]

It only takes a little over five minutes to host a game with 80K units on my system. I would guess the first turn will take about 2 minutes to process.

On the status page - if it says turn pending that means we are waiting on that person to submit their turn.

Honeybadger told me yesterday that he is having computer problems but that he should be able to make the deadline.

[Cor]

I suggest a Pan Ulmish Alliance. Why should I beat up on my future or past selves?

MA ULM

[Salamander8]

I had checked in earlier to see how close we were to the next turn (and peak at the cool banners again), and it looks like MA and LA R'Lyeh banners appear exactly the same? EA R'Lyeh has the Aboleth on the apex of the banner pole, but the other 2 R'Lyehs looked exactly the same when I was perusing the banners. With all the anti-LA R'Lyeh feelings I don't want my MA R'Lyeh mistaken for my younger and crazy(ier) cousin.

Cthulu Ftagn!

Oops, sorry about that one... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I'll have to DL that banner mod as well. I especially like the ravens on the Hellheim banner.

[atul]

The difference is really small, with LA the center of the star appears hollow and the banner waves a lot more. And I couldn't tell the difference without looking at the .tga images in the mod folder, where they are on a black background.

You'll just need to be quick with communications. "Don't attack, I'm the sane one who's just going to enslave you! ...Err..." http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[CelestialGoblyn]

Cor said:
I suggest a Pan Ulmish Alliance. Why should I beat up on my future or past selves?

MA ULM



I don't know if our barbarian cousins from EA also want to, but our sturdy nations should support each other regardless of how far we are from each other.

Ein volk, Ein Ulm, Drei Gott *stiff salute while stupid music is playing*

[Amhazair]

Salamander8 said:
With all the anti-LA R'Lyeh feelings I don't want my MA R'Lyeh mistaken for my younger and crazy(ier) cousin.




It matters not. Since time imemorial the oceans have been the purview of the Triton Kings, and so it shall remain.

[Salamander8]

Amhazair said:

Salamander8 said:
With all the anti-LA R'Lyeh feelings I don't want my MA R'Lyeh mistaken for my younger and crazy(ier) cousin.




It matters not. Since time imemorial the oceans have been the purview of the Triton Kings, and so it shall remain.


The oceans boil with many nations, and are not solely the possession of the Triton Kings. Dead Cthulhu lies dreaming for when the stars are right.

*Note: I didn't actually call my god Cthulhu, just a big Lovecraft fan.

[Cor]

Salamander8 said:
*Note: I didn't actually call my god Cthulu, just a big Lovecraft fan.



Who isn't?

[Ironhawk]

Me

[HoneyBadger]

I'm still here, and I'll have my turn in by tonight. I'm working on getting everything set up right now, but I can't get to the darned attachment that's posted to this thread. I've just written Velusion about it, and everything else should be ready.

[HoneyBadger]

Ok, I've waited for a little while and Velusion isn't getting back to me yet. Can someone please send me the map attachment so I can make my turn? The one attached to this thread. Do me a favor and leave out the virus that turns my Niefel giants into chipmunks on turn 25 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Velusion]

You can get the map here:

http://67.66.187.69/dominions3/perpetualitymap.zip

[Shovah32]

CelestialGoblyn said:

http://www.dom3minions.com/downloads.htm
wylfin@tlen.pl is my mail.



Try that if you need the map

[HoneyBadger]

will do, thanks!

[tibbs]

Quit posting recipes Martha Stewart, and finish your turn! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


HoneyBadger said:
Ok, here ya go.

You'll need:
approximately 1/2 lb of chicken breast-meat (white meat)
1 lemon (but get 2, they're cheap)
a pepper grinder
1 ripe avocado
atleast 2 cloves crushed garlic
1/4 lb pine nuts
1 large Portabella mushroom
1 lb pasta (this recipe will feed yourself and a date you want to impress)
olive oil, peanut oil, sesame oil-you can get away with one type of oil here
dried red pepper flakes-to taste, but don't overdo it
Worshershire sauce (Lea and Perrins is the best, but just use what you have)
a solid hunk of Parmezan cheese
1 stick of butter-preferrably unsalted, high quality butter-you can use the cheaper stuff, but the sauce WILL be greasier.
Heavy cream (or whipping cream-no, not the stuff that comes in a cannister and goes on banana splits or a kinky person, I mean the stuff that is sold by the pint and you put it in your coffee)

Take the chicken, cut it up into strips and marinate it in lemon juice-use half a lemon, fresh ground pepper, and crushed garlic, set it aside 1 hour before you put the pasta on.

Take your pine nuts and rinse them off under cold water, place them on a paper towel and use another paper towel to pat them dry 30 minutes before the pasta.

Cut up a portabella mushroom (also into thin strips) and put it into a bowl. Marinate it in a tablespoon of olive oil, more crushed garlic, dried red pepper flakes, a few drops of Worshershire sauce, and a little lemon juice. Put it in the fridge 30 minutes before the pasta.

Cut an avocado into strips and squeeze the lemon over it, set it aside in a bowl in the fridge 15 minutes before the pasta.

15 minutes before you cook the pasta, heat up a frying pan (on medium-high heat) for 5 minutes and then add a tablespoon of olive oil and the chicken. Cook the chicken for 10 minutes, stirring regularly. After 10 minutes of cooking, turn the heat off and put the chicken in a microwave bowl. Cover the bowl with plastic-wrap and microwave it for 1 minute on high heat (just to make sure this recipe doesn't kill anyone with salmonella or e-coli). Clean the frying pan out with cold water and paper towels (be careful not to burn yourself).

For the Alfredo sauce, you're going to want a solid block of Parmesan cheese. The grated stuff you buy in a can won't really cut it. The quality of the cheese does matter, but that's a matter of taste and experience choosing the right one. I personally like a nice American cheese that's been aged 6 months or so, just because the older, better cheeses tend to be very dry, which I don't like as well in the sauce, and they're like twice as expensive-this dish is expensive enough as it is.

Grate the cheese up and have it ready before you put the pasta on. The sauce is simple, just melt unsalted butter-Land 'o lakes is good-over low heat until it's completely melted and then add heavy cream-for the best cream for the recipe, check the back and choose the one with the most fat content.

When you add the cream, MAKE SURE to take the butter OFF the heat and add the cream slooooowly. Too much heat makes the cream angry and it will clot. That's bad. Heat the butter and the cream over LOW heat-halfway between off and medium-and add the grated cheese right after you've added the cream. Cook it-stirring regularly-for 5 minutes. After that, put the water for the pasta on to boil-at a guess, you want around half a gallon of water for a pound of pasta, but read the directions on the box-and turn the heat down to low-the first or second notch above off-and stir it occasionally with a fork.

You can use pretty much any pasta you want, but I encourage either the traditional fettucinni or a nice tri-color rotini. Cook it according to the directions on the box. When it's done, drain it and place it in a large salad-bowl.

While the pasta is cooking, place the pine nuts in a frying pan with a teaspoon of sesame oil and a teaspoon of peanut oil. Saute them on medium heat, stirring constantly, until they start to darken slightly in color. Take the pine nuts out (carefully-they'll be hot) and put them on a paper towel to dry.

Put the pan back on the heat and heat it on high heat for 3 minutes exactly.
Add the portabella mushrooms (don't add any liquid) and 1 tablespoon of butter at the same time. Heat for 2 minutes more, and then turn the heat completely off. Don't stir the mushrooms at all, just make sure they're well distributed across the surface of the pan, and leave them on the burner. This should intensify the flavor and make the mushrooms somewhat dry.

When you put the pasta in the bowl, pour the sauce over the pasta and mix together until the pasta is well-incorporated with the sauce. Arrange the chicken, avocado, Portabella mushroom, and pine nuts over the top in as artistic a way as you feel (but do it quickly so the pasta doesn't go cold) and serve-preferrably with wine, to a date.

Disclaimer: don't ever engage in any activity that may result in the following: burning yourself, cutting yourself, poisoning yourself, setting your hair on fire, poisoning others, spreading disease, or sueing me.

[Zoshan]

HAHAHAH! im wirting that one down. going to make it this weekend.

[WSzaboPeter]

That read very tasty. Thanks a lot for sharing. (Keep up the spam in this gigantic topic... it's a lot of fun!)

tibbs said:
Quit posting recipes Martha Stewart, and finish your turn! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


HoneyBadger said:
Ok, here ya go.

You'll need:
approximately 1/2 lb of chicken breast-meat (white meat)
1 lemon (but get 2, they're cheap)
a pepper grinder
1 ripe avocado
atleast 2 cloves crushed garlic
1/4 lb pine nuts
1 large Portabella mushroom
1 lb pasta (this recipe will feed yourself and a date you want to impress)
olive oil, peanut oil, sesame oil-you can get away with one type of oil here
dried red pepper flakes-to taste, but don't overdo it
Worshershire sauce (Lea and Perrins is the best, but just use what you have)
a solid hunk of Parmezan cheese
1 stick of butter-preferrably unsalted, high quality butter-you can use the cheaper stuff, but the sauce WILL be greasier.
Heavy cream (or whipping cream-no, not the stuff that comes in a cannister and goes on banana splits or a kinky person, I mean the stuff that is sold by the pint and you put it in your coffee)

Take the chicken, cut it up into strips and marinate it in lemon juice-use half a lemon, fresh ground pepper, and crushed garlic, set it aside 1 hour before you put the pasta on.

Take your pine nuts and rinse them off under cold water, place them on a paper towel and use another paper towel to pat them dry 30 minutes before the pasta.

Cut up a portabella mushroom (also into thin strips) and put it into a bowl. Marinate it in a tablespoon of olive oil, more crushed garlic, dried red pepper flakes, a few drops of Worshershire sauce, and a little lemon juice. Put it in the fridge 30 minutes before the pasta.

Cut an avocado into strips and squeeze the lemon over it, set it aside in a bowl in the fridge 15 minutes before the pasta.

15 minutes before you cook the pasta, heat up a frying pan (on medium-high heat) for 5 minutes and then add a tablespoon of olive oil and the chicken. Cook the chicken for 10 minutes, stirring regularly. After 10 minutes of cooking, turn the heat off and put the chicken in a microwave bowl. Cover the bowl with plastic-wrap and microwave it for 1 minute on high heat (just to make sure this recipe doesn't kill anyone with salmonella or e-coli). Clean the frying pan out with cold water and paper towels (be careful not to burn yourself).

For the Alfredo sauce, you're going to want a solid block of Parmesan cheese. The grated stuff you buy in a can won't really cut it. The quality of the cheese does matter, but that's a matter of taste and experience choosing the right one. I personally like a nice American cheese that's been aged 6 months or so, just because the older, better cheeses tend to be very dry, which I don't like as well in the sauce, and they're like twice as expensive-this dish is expensive enough as it is.

Grate the cheese up and have it ready before you put the pasta on. The sauce is simple, just melt unsalted butter-Land 'o lakes is good-over low heat until it's completely melted and then add heavy cream-for the best cream for the recipe, check the back and choose the one with the most fat content.

When you add the cream, MAKE SURE to take the butter OFF the heat and add the cream slooooowly. Too much heat makes the cream angry and it will clot. That's bad. Heat the butter and the cream over LOW heat-halfway between off and medium-and add the grated cheese right after you've added the cream. Cook it-stirring regularly-for 5 minutes. After that, put the water for the pasta on to boil-at a guess, you want around half a gallon of water for a pound of pasta, but read the directions on the box-and turn the heat down to low-the first or second notch above off-and stir it occasionally with a fork.

You can use pretty much any pasta you want, but I encourage either the traditional fettucinni or a nice tri-color rotini. Cook it according to the directions on the box. When it's done, drain it and place it in a large salad-bowl.

While the pasta is cooking, place the pine nuts in a frying pan with a teaspoon of sesame oil and a teaspoon of peanut oil. Saute them on medium heat, stirring constantly, until they start to darken slightly in color. Take the pine nuts out (carefully-they'll be hot) and put them on a paper towel to dry.

Put the pan back on the heat and heat it on high heat for 3 minutes exactly.
Add the portabella mushrooms (don't add any liquid) and 1 tablespoon of butter at the same time. Heat for 2 minutes more, and then turn the heat completely off. Don't stir the mushrooms at all, just make sure they're well distributed across the surface of the pan, and leave them on the burner. This should intensify the flavor and make the mushrooms somewhat dry.

When you put the pasta in the bowl, pour the sauce over the pasta and mix together until the pasta is well-incorporated with the sauce. Arrange the chicken, avocado, Portabella mushroom, and pine nuts over the top in as artistic a way as you feel (but do it quickly so the pasta doesn't go cold) and serve-preferrably with wine, to a date.

Disclaimer: don't ever engage in any activity that may result in the following: burning yourself, cutting yourself, poisoning yourself, setting your hair on fire, poisoning others, spreading disease, or sueing me.

[HoneyBadger]

Well, I had to do something while I waited. And Martha Stewart is a punk, I came up with that recipe myself!

By the way, an update. I'm working on my turn now and should be done shortly.

[HoneyBadger]

Ok, this is getting a little silly...I put in the password Velusion gave to me and it's not working. I tried it 4 times for Niefelheim, and it says Wrong Password

[DrPraetorious]

Whadaya mean "working on"? You put your starting giants into a pile, and run screaming into an adjacent forest province (no risk of barbarians.) There, done.

A huge game like this does not favor the timid! Of those willing to risk all, half will be eliminated and half will rise to great power. Of those who play conservatively, none will be powerful enough to challenge them.

On the subject of HP Lovecraft and Spam:
The game needs a Worm that Walks (the soul of the devil bought hastens not from his charnel clay and so forth.)
Common summon or national summon? For who?
Epic hero!?
Should it be a mummification duplicate (i.e. you get a dead hero back as a Worm that Walks?)

[Velusion]

HoneyBadger said:
Ok, this is getting a little silly...I put in the password Velusion gave to me and it's not working. I tried it 4 times for Niefelheim, and it says Wrong Password



Send me a PM or email with what I sent you... I'll try it.

[HoneyBadger]

there you go, I copy-pasted the email you sent me with my password in it and sent it to your PM

[WSzaboPeter]

I think we should make a guessing game, how many prophets will be in the 2nd turn. I'm guessing 57.

[HoneyBadger]

I'll take 62. I believe that's how many of us there are?

[DrPraetorious]

I'm going to guess 61 or less http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

[HoneyBadger]

Who gave Dr Praetorious caffiene???

By "working on" I meant that I was waiting to connect to the server http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif but thanks for the tip! I didn't realize forests don't house barbarians.

You know, wolf tribe is actually almost as bad as barbarians when it comes to taking out Niefel Jarls, and usually they have more numbers.

After I take my turn, I'll post that to Alexander's.

[HoneyBadger]

For that matter, how come I *don't* have any caffiene?!? I'm off of work today! I actually have a reason to be awake!

[FAJ]

My guess for prophets is 50.

and DrP, as for this game not favoring the timid, I hope thats not true. My battle strategy revolves around shy expansion and bashful diplomacy!

[Velusion]

Well that sucks - I know I created with that password but its not working. Hmmmm... I'm going to have to fiddle with the game and see if I can trick it. *crosses fingers*

Unless someone has a way to extract passwords from .2h files... (catgod won't do it).

[HoneyBadger]

My strategy is to send my Niefel Jarls out to pick pretty flowers for everyone to enjoy.

[HoneyBadger]

Just let me know, I'm standing by for atleast the next several hours.

And no worries, I found a Bruce Campbell movie I *haven't* seen.

[Fal]

HoneyBadger said:
Just let me know, I'm standing by for atleast the next several hours.

And no worries, I found a Bruce Campbell movie I *haven't* seen.



yep and 60 other players without that movie @#$!*&....

[WSzaboPeter]

The first turn is always bumpy, so I think it's logical to be even bumpier for a game like this.

About guessing: I'm pretty sure, that Velusion and I have not declared prophets. (Velusion for logical reasons, and for me... well I have my reasons...)

[HoneyBadger]

I doubt I will either, but then I might get sneaky.

[Fal]

yeah, I just hope a large game like this won't encounter some technical difficulty and shut down.

[Evilhomer]

Alot of people chose to patrol the first turn for the added money, i would guess around 30-40 propeths in the next turn.

[HoneyBadger]

By the way, the movie is 'Mindwarp'. It's an apocalyptic survivalist thing with a pretty actress and really bad special effects. Ofcourse, Bruce makes it infinitely better than it deserves to be by his mere presence, but it still has a long way to go to be anything close to a good movie.

[Zoshan]

20 min before I have to go to work. No turn for me until the am I guess.

[BigDisAwesome]

OH THE SUSPENSE!

and i'm in with 42 prophets.
Wanna start a pool?

[DrPraetorious]

Whoever is closest to the actual total, I'll tell them the home province and identity of their three closest neighbors? Ties are broken towards the player who guesses high, or towards the player who guesses first in the thread.

My guess: 47 prophets.

[BigDisAwesome]

No way, that's too good.

How about everyone betting puts in 10 gold. It's not much to lose and it'll add up nicely.

As for ties, I have no idea. Whatever seems fair I suppose. Closest without going over Price is Right style?

Oh and I'll chip 10 gold in on my bet.

[HoneyBadger]

No point in my betting, because if I do, then I'm forced to prophetize by round 2 since I picked 62.

[BigDisAwesome]

My attention is required elsewhere. My Name is Earl and The Office are coming on!

[HoneyBadger]

I like Jericho and Anthony Bourdain's No Reservations. While we're waiting, what's everyone watching on tv these days?

[WSzaboPeter]

HoneyBadger said:
No point in my betting, because if I do, then I'm forced to prophetize by round 2 since I picked 62.


Indeed, that will obviously loose, since I'm pretty sure the maximum is 61.

[Shmonk]

FYI... Jericho is canceled. The season finale was the last episode. I kinda liked the series, I was a little bummed that it was not renewed.

[HoneyBadger]

Here's the petition to save it:

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/savejericho

This is why I don't watch the networks.

[HoneyBadger]

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?09272006

Another petition. The networks are really bad. They killed Firefly, and my other favorite show, Supernatural, I'm sure is in their sights.

Some smart person should invent a web-site where you just send producers money and they send you back the shows you want, commercial-free. That way, it's cash-based, and you don't have to worry about ratings, and less about morons in charge, because you can vote with your dollar, and tell them exactly what you want to watch in the process.

It'd change the world---just send me 5% of the gross profit, since it was my idea http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[vfb]

Weird, I see all players have their turn in now according to the status page, but it didn't quickhost.

I took the liberty of making a new thread where you can talk about TV:

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=522004

This thread is likely to get uncomfortably large already, even without going OT.

[HoneyBadger]

Nothing else to do at the moment but watch tv, I'm just waiting for the password so we can start.

Beside, I think once the game does start, it would be a good idea to lose all 30 pages of this thread and start a new one. It'll make info a lot easier to process.

[Velusion]

Should be working. Sent an email to HB.

[HoneyBadger]

Ok, it's all good, Turn 1 is complete (atleast I think it is)

[Shmonk]

Turn has hosted... and 25 prophets were named!! Did someone guess that number?

And here's something interesting (maybe it's just me). I moved a scout into a province, but I'm getting no info on that province. No indicator of what type of indy troops or the possible number. Is that possible? Every game I've played by turn 2 I do get an estimated report on all surrounding provinces. Just wondering if others are noticing this.

[Velusion]

I'm getting the exact same thing...

*looks puzzled*

[Velusion]

Let me try reprocessing the turn. Strange...

[HoneyBadger]

I'm done with turn 2

[HoneyBadger]

Can someone please move this thread over to a new one, once we get all the kinks out? It'd be nice to start over, and help the process of introducing role-playing aspects.

[Velusion]

huh... still not showing whats in the the indy regions... did anyone attack a province this turn? did it resolve normally? does anyone see any indy troops adjacent to thier capital?

I'm not sure why ... I've never seen it do that before.

I suppose we have two options... 1. see if it clears itself up on the next hosting or 2. start the game over and go back to turn one (you wouldn't need to reupload your god).

[HoneyBadger]

I attacked, but on the second turn, haven't seen the results yet

I say we continue, the unknown quality of the independents will be a limiting factor on any rush tactics for the first few rounds-if you want to see what's in there, send a scout-but that's just my opinion.

[Tichy]

I did the 'scout attack and retreat' manuever on turn 1. I got no scout/spy reports, but the indies in the province I 'attacked' were normal. (Mix of LI, HI, Xbows)

Some people must have done turn one attacks, the graphs show about 6 nations took a second province on turn 1, and there are entries in the HoF for them.

[LoloMo]

I don't see any info on the indy regions either

[Manuk]

yes, indies are there, but i'm not getting scout or neighbours report.

[Foodstamp]

Something kinda odd on my end. I did not receive all the units I recruited the first turn. It took my gold but did not give me anywhere near the amount of units I should have had.

[RamsHead]

I didn't receive reports either, but at least I got the troops I recruited. This doesn't look good.

[Foodstamp]

nvmd, my recruitment queue was correct. I forgot I actually bid on those indies for fun http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

But like everyone else, I am not getting indy reports from neighboring provinces.

[HoneyBadger]

Yeah, I'm definitely not

[Saint_Dude]

No reports, but got all the troops that I recruited.

[Saint_Dude]

What is with EA arco? Why did they start with so many troops?

wrong arco first time around

[HoneyBadger]

Ok, I think we should start over if people are having problems-I'm just happy to know I can start taking turns

[Velusion]

Ok... here is the deal...

I backed up the game and then processed the turn. I logged in and checked and I could see everything as is should be. I then restored back to the original game.

So my assumption is if we stick it out this turn, things will get back to normal.

Now, as more and more people submit turns I'll be be backing up the server and checking to make sure it isn't a specific player or something strange. But as it stands now, I think things will get back to normal after this turn.

Unless you are very confident I suggest you play conservatively this one turn.

[jutetrea]

Just an FYI -

No Battle message, no battle video. Lots of prophet messages.
No scouting info as its been reported.

Other than that everything looks ok.

[RamsHead]

Are you saying the indies could be different than what my commander attacked last turn?

[Velusion]

Saint_Dude said:
What is with EA arco? Why did they start with so many troops?

wrong arco first time around



I thought that was strange too... but apparently it is just a graph error. I verified it by checking with the master pass (sorry ea arco) and he has a normal amount of troops...(like 30 or so).

[Velusion]

RamsHead said:
Are you saying the indies could be different than what my commander attacked last turn?



No they should be the same.

[Velusion]

jutetrea said:
No Battle message, no battle video.




I'm not sure what this means... other people were able to see the battles that they fought...

[RamsHead]

Velusion said:

jutetrea said:
No Battle message, no battle video.




I'm not sure what this means... other people were able to see the battles that they fought...


I didn't get a battle report, so I just hit V on the province.

[Velusion]

RamsHead said:
I didn't get a battle report, so I just hit V on the province.



Ahh that explains it. Strange. But I can confirm that I got a battle report after I test processed the turn again...

[Velusion]

Posting this again so everyone sees:

Ok... here is the deal...

I backed up the game and then processed the turn. I logged in and checked and I could see everything as is should be. I then restored back to the original game.

So my assumption is if we stick it out this turn, things will get back to normal.

Now, as more and more people submit turns I'll be be backing up the server and checking to make sure it isn't a specific player or something strange. But as it stands now, I think things will get back to normal after this turn.

Unless you are very confident I suggest you play conservatively this one turn.

[jutetrea]

hmm, didn't know about V, thanks.

Wow, I got extremely lucky with an enemy rout just as they hit my back lines. Extra large chunk of indys for a 5... lots and lots routed.

might have been better NOT seeing that...

[Salamander8]

I was wondering if we had set the provinces to no defenders, so rather glad I was cautious about my neighboring provinces now! I noticed I forgot to move my Scout on the first turn too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

[atul]

Hm, is the server down? I can't connect now, it was just fine like 20 minutes ago and I'd need to like, totally redo my turn. Indecision to the victory. The perpetuality status page has some strange numbers also.

Edit: Darn, I just realized I might be about to be rushed. Wondered what madman would take a heat/death/drain dominion in a game like this, but the unfortunate answer might be obvious.

Edit2: the server is working now. Good, I can go to work... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Lingchih]

Ditto. No Indy reports at all, but I did get my recruits. Flying blind right now.

[Cainehill]

Sounds like, despite the supposedly increased max number of units and all, the bug from Dom2 remains where, when there are too many units in the world, reports on neighboring provinces and provinces where you have scouts get unreliable.

Used to see the bug commonly in mid-game on Faerun map games (circa 400-some provinces), and sounds like 1000 provinces and 62 nations causes the bug on turn 2.

[Velusion]

Cainehill said:

Sounds like, despite the supposedly increased max number of units and all, the bug from Dom2 remains where, when there are too many units in the world, reports on neighboring provinces and provinces where you have scouts get unreliable.

Used to see the bug commonly in mid-game on Faerun map games (circa 400-some provinces), and sounds like 1000 provinces and 62 nations causes the bug on turn 2.



I'm not sure about this... I've tested out and played a lot of single player over these last couple weeks with 61 AI players (well over 50 turns) and never seen this happen. Also, reports were not "unreliable" but completely non-existent. It also wouldn't explain the missing battle reports.

I'm not ruling out a bug - but I'd put my money on some kind of corruption file mis/match from last turn instead.

[Evilhomer]

It is seriously going to be annoying if i lose my god to some weird mega indie province of doom that i wasn't able to scout...

[Velusion]

Evilhomer said:
It is seriously going to be annoying if i lose my god to some weird mega indie province of doom that i wasn't able to scout...



You know.... you don't HAVE to attack something this turn... You could always research with him...

[Evilhomer]

nah, i agree with someones previous statement, this game belongs to the brave http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

With my luck i just know im going to have to regret it tho...but he seriously should be oki.

[Hadrian_II]

somehow my instinct tells me that i just choose the province full of knights to attack http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif. i hope this problem wont stay.

[atul]

Hadrian_II said:i just choose the province full of knights to attack.

Just don't attack farmlands, you should avoid the knights. Me, not so lucky, bordering only farms and swamps (and I don't fancy a curse this early). Oh well, it's a game of russian roulette all right.

[Evilhomer]

yeah, i hope this problem goes away, russian roulette makes me nervous.

[Evilhomer]

oh, just a heads up, the status page timer is on 48 host schedule, while the game is on 24 hours, so don't get fooled by the status page....

[atul]

Yeah, I noticed it also. IIRC the status page was on 24h-cycle when I first looked at it in the morning, then it went haywire for a while (and at the same time I couldn't connect to the server, and now it says 48h. Server reset or something?

[WSzaboPeter]

Greetings,
I can't any scout report, but my pretender has no fear in his hearth. He leads the hall of fame, and he should stay there, so I gave attack orders.

Gems for auction: 3 death gem, starting bid: 60 gold (total); 6 astral pearl, starting bid 100 gold (total).
Send bids to: bids@ctdd.ro, thanks a lot.

[CelestialGoblyn]

I also can't see neighbouring indies...

[Arameyan]

Same for me

[GrayZ]

Anyone else notice that the patrolling message didn't show up either?

[Evilhomer]

yeah, lots of odd things this turn, hopefully it will clear up as velusian thinks.

[Velusion]

Evilhomer said:
oh, just a heads up, the status page timer is on 48 host schedule, while the game is on 24 hours, so don't get fooled by the status page....



Fixed.

[Fal]

I hit a random event this turn and my income was higher than expected, that event didn't show on the message screen either.

[Zoshan]

Do you think someone could be playing without the mod and that is messing things up?

[Wikd Thots]

So the game is broken. Should we report this to the devs?

[Gandalf Parker]

Heehee. If the game is "broken" its because I broke it.
Making an "all nations" mod creates something very different than the devs wanted. I will let them know of the quirks we see but I wouldnt expect any kind of "fix" to show up.

We expected a different game. Its different.