Sons of Kaleva, a Kalevala mod

[Edi]

Fire, Endo. You need Fire magic for base mages, though it should be minor. Fire is one of the most important elements in Finnish folklore. It is the basis for all of our myths about house elves/gnomes (haltiat). The original haltia was a fire spirit, which would spring into being wherever a fire was lit and it would have an appearance akin to whoever made the fire.

This morphed into the kodinhaltia when settlements became permanent, but the kodinhaltia was liked to the fireplace of the house. I read a book on our folklore (actual research into it, not just a collection of myths) and within the geographical boundaries of Finland, there are mentions of hundreds of different spirits, with over two hundred names for fire spirits alone.

So just put F1 on the common mages, though the best the nation should get with fire mages is F2 at the most aside from Ilmarinen.

[Endoperez]

I'd really like to keep Earth, but it just has to go. I'd really like to keep Witches and Gnomes, but I might have to give both up. It's very annoying, but Earth just doesn't fit the nation at all. I had themed even Hiisi as a renegade Troll King, but trolls and fire don't work well together.

What about this kind of a mage roster:

everywhere:
N1 100%FWDN Wiseman, sacred, not priest
N2H1 10%E Bear Tribe Shaman, stealthy
capital:
N2F1 210%FWDN Spellsinger

This way the nation has:
1) cheap, sacred researcher
2) access to a stealthy mage that can buff the stealthy troops, esp. cast Spellsong of the High Heart
3) a mage/priest recruitable everywhere
4) eventually a Nature/Earth mage, that can start summoning Gnomes if given Earth Boots or 30 Earth gems for empowerment

The only problem is that I'd have liked to change Spellsong of the High Heart into N1F1 now that I could have. I can't write here how troublesome it has been to come up with these changes. I really liked Earth, and needed it for the gnomes, and had to change lots of things. It was a really annoying process that can be summed up to "I don't know how experienced modmakers can go through all this more than once! AARGH! This doesn't work either!"

[DrPraetorious]

What era?

b/c even for late era, that is not strong magic - you could give them earth as well, no problem.

[Endoperez]

I'm not sure yet. At the moment, I'm thinking of light armor but good damage potential. I'm also considering all-around mapmove of at least 2 for all units (light and med infantry, stealthy archers, stealthy med inf. with crossbows) and forestsurvival, with perhaps one or more of the other survival types thrown in for even better movement rate. However, I also want crossbows, so Early age is out.

I'd like to add more mages, but I'm out of ideas ATM. Comparing Spellsinger to mages of Middle, it seems he could be made available everywhere without balance problems. Perhaps a bit more versatile with his double random, but not out of line. I'll add a variation of Vaetti hags to the capital, but that's all I have left.

[DrPraetorious]

Let's assume mid-era, as there are a lot of late-era mods already. Don't the Finns have something of a reputation as sorcerers among their neighbors, Kelavala aside?

I'd drop the Vaetti, or make everyone Vaetti.

This is my suggestion for magic paths and special powers.

Witch (everywhere) - EN,{FWE,75%}{FWN,75%},healer 20%,prevent bad events 10%
Spellsinger (everywhere) - F2N2,{FEDN,100%}{FEDN,10%}
Shaman (capital only) - Sacred, turns into a Bear, maybe even a werebear (thugable), E2N2,{FWEN,10%}
Sorcerer (capital only) - D2WFN,{FWDN,100%},{FWDN,10%}

Another option would be to convert some of those heroes into commanders - so the witches could have air magic and *all* turn into giant eagles; the sorcerers could all have forge bonuses.

I sure hope they add more nation slots

[Endoperez]

I made graphics for Hiisi already, so I'm not going to drop them straight away. They'll be goblins, like vaetti and bakemono, but instead of wolves they've befriended moose. They provide the nation cheap stealthy archers and stealthy cavalry. Moose Brothers have one spearmen and one archer mounted on a moose, and after the first 8 damage the archer dies but the spearman stays.

I think I'll go with something like this:

Sorcerer (hiisi) - {FWD 100%}{FDN 100%}, prevent bad events 10%
Wiseman (everywhere) - F1N2,{FEDN,100%}{FEDN,10%}
Bear Tribe Shaman (everywhere) - H1 N2, {E, 50%}{E, 50%}
Spellsinger (capital only) - F2N2, {FWDN,100%},{FWDN,100%},{FWDN,10%}


Also, I'm aiming to make this mod completely replace EA Ulm, slot and all. Someone has to try if it works, eh?

[DrPraetorious]

If they're going to be EA, they should get a *lot* more magic than that.

Let's compare to EA Ermor. EA Ermor, which is pretty balanced, gets a nice military and:
F2SD2{FSNA,110%} on the augur elder
F{FAWEN,100%} on the Flamen

That's F3A1W1E1S2D3N1.