Mod Better Independents v2.1

JimMorrison · #1 November 1st, 2008, 12:59 PM

Not sure if this has been mentioned before -

I've seen references to the potential problem with the Resource Only version of BI. It occurred to me that if the gold costs were reduced to "1" for all troops effected by the mod, then it wouldn't really hamper the computer very much if it filled up all of its queues with forbidden units.

Edi · #2 November 1st, 2008, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JimMorrison

Not sure if this has been mentioned before -

I've seen references to the potential problem with the Resource Only version of BI. It occurred to me that if the gold costs were reduced to "1" for all troops effected by the mod, then it wouldn't really hamper the computer very much if it filled up all of its queues with forbidden units.

Then it WOULD fill up those queues with the chaff at every opportunity instead of just sometimes, so no go.

JimMorrison · #3 November 2nd, 2008, 12:01 PM

That's my point, though. At difficulties above normal, 100g/province is nothing to the AI. The filling of the queues is not a problem in and of itself, it's the gold that is tied up that is the problem. At 1g per unit, the "problem" should effectually disappear.

< shrug > Maybe I'll just give it a test (when I can pry myself away from Fallout to do Dom3 SP), and let you know.....

Edi · #4 November 2nd, 2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JimMorrison

That's my point, though. At difficulties above normal, 100g/province is nothing to the AI. The filling of the queues is not a problem in and of itself, it's the gold that is tied up that is the problem. At 1g per unit, the "problem" should effectually disappear.

< shrug > Maybe I'll just give it a test (when I can pry myself away from Fallout to do Dom3 SP), and let you know.....

Yes, it would then recruit nothing BUT the unrecruitable chaff and end up with no troops, which is the problem I'm talking about.

JimMorrison · #5 November 3rd, 2008, 02:05 PM

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That's my point, though. At difficulties above normal, 100g/province is nothing to the AI. The filling of the queues is not a problem in and of itself, it's the gold that is tied up that is the problem. At 1g per unit, the "problem" should effectually disappear.

< shrug > Maybe I'll just give it a test (when I can pry myself away from Fallout to do Dom3 SP), and let you know.....

Yes, it would then recruit nothing BUT the unrecruitable chaff and end up with no troops, which is the problem I'm talking about.

What would it do with all of its extra money then? Queues are limited to 100 units, which is the mechanic I am banking on here. Once saturated, the AI should shift to more accessible units as long as it has gold, no?

Edi · #6 November 3rd, 2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JimMorrison

That's my point, though. At difficulties above normal, 100g/province is nothing to the AI. The filling of the queues is not a problem in and of itself, it's the gold that is tied up that is the problem. At 1g per unit, the "problem" should effectually disappear.

< shrug > Maybe I'll just give it a test (when I can pry myself away from Fallout to do Dom3 SP), and let you know.....

Yes, it would then recruit nothing BUT the unrecruitable chaff and end up with no troops, which is the problem I'm talking about.

What would it do with all of its extra money then? Queues are limited to 100 units, which is the mechanic I am banking on here. Once saturated, the AI should shift to more accessible units as long as it has gold, no?

Read the damned mod file before making pronouncements. There are disabled chaff and recruitable units mixed in the poptypes, which means that when it gets a choice, it will go for the cheaper but unproducable unit over the normally priced, unmodified unit if gold is weighted too much. If you're so curious about it, then run a test on it yourself and tell me the results.

Bottom line: I am NOT interested in making your suggested alterations. The reason for that is that the mod as it currently stands works well enough. So I'm not going to waste any more time on it.

JimMorrison · #7 November 4th, 2008, 11:32 AM

Woah, easy on the blood pressure there, Edi. <3

I did state a few posts back that I'd probably just get in there and try it myself, and let you know.

But you kept discussing it. :P

I haven't played that much with BI, but from what I saw, it seemed like there weren't entirely that many pop-types that had disabled units mixed with un-modded units. I just thought (from what I saw) that the problem for the AI was that it filled the queue with the cheap units anyways, which then dumped 1000+ gold per province that it did so in, which then directly impacted their ability to field large forces at all.

Maybe I haven't seen enough to judge clearly, but all I know is that personally (I love Enslave Mind), I don't find the Full/Gold versions acceptable, so I was just brainstorming on what could be done with the Resource version to avoid the problems that I and others had seen.

But again, you don't need to worry about it, when I get the time to do so, I will experiment a bit more with the current version, and then some with a modified version, and I will let you know how they compare in performance.