Scales bugs in Dom3.14

[Nikolai]

I _all_ three my current games, I am experiencing scales bugs. I'm order 3 misfortune 3 player, so you can imagine the mess. It's not only home province. Provinces that I took since turn 5 (now turn 48) have lost Order 3, Cold 3, and Growth 3, and kept Misfortune 3 and Drain 2. In that game I am playing Niefel. Great joy!

My bet is developers replaced bug with feature. Now it is not scale bug, now it is mighty balancing algorithm - unless you have full dominions in all neighbors, your border province gets affected... and then it affects it neighbors, and yada, yada, yada.

I wish old days back.

[archaeolept]

hmm, i've never experience scale bugs before, or such that i noticed, but i just ran a couple LA Pyth Dom 10 Order/prod 3 misfortune 2... and both times, starting the second turn, order and prod were slightly lowered. In one, prod wend down 1 then back up; in the other prod went down 1 and stayed there at 2. Order in each went down 1 or 2, but in the second game got back up to 3 before turn 10... though production is still at 2

so the current bug seems more prevalent than the previous, though perhaps not as devastating :wtf:

3rd test: order/prod went to 1/1 on turn two. slowly got back up to 3/3 by turn 8 ... the scales seem to improve when all my cap's neighbours have my dominion.

4th: tried w/ order 3 sloth 2... order went to 2 on turn 2; back to 3 by turn 6

[Zeldor]

It seems that mainly Order is affected [productivity may be too, but not many people take it] when not all neighbours of that province [be it capitol or not] do not have your own dominion [it seems that neutral one triggers it too] and they start to get to normal when you convert everything around. Pretty annoying.

[Velusion]

In all the games I tested with production +3, order +3 on the second turn my order got nuked down to 1 and my production bonus vanished never to return to +3 in 10+ turns.

The "elusive" scale bug is now an "in-your-face-every-game" scale bug...

[Tuidjy]

> so the current bug seems more prevalent than the previous, though perhaps not
> as devastating

How devastating it is depends mostly on your playing style. Lately I play with
a group of real life friends (Nikolai is one of us) and we blitz through games
in a weekend. I personally think that this is the greatest balance change
since Dominions II.

It does not look like a bug anymore. As far as I can tell, the scales in a
province depend on the scales of all neighbors, no ifs or buts. This has a
devastating effect on the way I play. I always take Order 3, Growth, and
Misfortune 3. I usually play with a weak dominion, which I boost in selected
provinces with priests and teleistic animates. Even in games I end up winning,
my dominion usually trails other players, as I mostly keep a strong one only in
provinces that I consider important.

With the new rebalancing, this means that my scales will be horrible across the
board, as I will never have most of my neighbors with my dominion. All players
will be affected at the border, and the effect easily propagates toward the core
of the empire.

I have finished 3 games so far with these new rules, and the effects are
somewhat mitigated by the fact that nearly all of us play with weak dominions
and extreme scales. I am certainly going to reconsider my scales - what used to
work quite well with my style of play is a recipe for disaster now.

But I certainly feel for those (Hi, uncle!) who are playing in long MP games on
this forum, and will have to suffer the effects under 3.14.

[Nikolai]

It isn't that bad. I do not always play like like. Only in DangerPudding it's REALLY bad, because I am spread out, and apart from capital, I probably have not single province with just my dominion around. And of course, with propagtation of effect, capital IN WINTER has cold + 1... So now I am effectively playing with my misfortune, with Sauromatia and Pangaea's Turmoil, with Yomi's death, and with wrong temperature for Neifelheim. Giants are screwed.

I wish Illwinter had warned us.

PS Praise the Pantocrator, R'lyeh's dominion is pretty much my own. Order junkies of the world, unite!

[Meglobob]

I think its a bug that hopefully will be corrected in the next patch.

Until it is, not alot of point taking Order 2-3, Prod 2-3 or misfortune 2-3, especially with low dominion of 4-5.

[Velusion]

Meglobob said:
I think its a bug that hopefully will be corrected in the next patch.

Until it is, not alot of point taking Order 2-3, Prod 2-3 or misfortune 2-3, especially with low dominion of 4-5.

Agreed. It's pretty bad.

[Edi]

Actually, right now it looks like it's functioning like a feature instead of a bug, but whether the feature is desirable in quite this drastic a form is another question entirely.