Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong's Head Cantina - After Hours

[Taz-in-Space]

...Taz, who's head is spinning from all the temporal and metaphysical energys being released around here lately, makes a note to have the glass washing machine replaced at the first opportunity.
As to the Tribbles, Taz wonders that nobody realizes that tribbles are very young Tazmanian Devils! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Can't you have your children visit you at work? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
With all the 'fiends' in here doing terrible things to each other, the little devils feel right at home! ...

[Saxon]

Tigga,

You definitely missed a turn by sending in the wrong turn. I know, as I managed to do that Last turn. Since our empires are new, things went on largely as they should, but one or two things were odd.

I take it that everyone except Tigga and I play their turns at the same machine where they receive them. Everyone else seems to get their turns in so fast that there is no way they are carrying it home from work.

As for playing hotseat with me or chatting up sun kissed babes on the beach, I know that at least Mac will chose SEIV. If he doesn’t, Mrs. Mac will give him more than a hotseat. Shame you are taking your vacation in thunderstorm central. How far is Ohio from New York? I look to be in New York during October/November and may need to run my turns in the Bash from somewhere.

[mac5732]

As Mac sits with Paladin playing their chess game, he was mated in 20 moves, vows revenge, sits back and observes the Time Displacement warp transgressions within the time continuaum in regards to the minions of the cantina. Hmm, now that is most extrodinaire, definitly needs some scientific researsh into the time distortions creating parallel universes. He sees the Taz playing with his little devils, notices a glass washing machine being disposed of by fishy sqiggly creatures, Geo pinned against the wall with a huge smile, as a lovely and not so lovly pair of bikinni clad beach goers do unmentionable things to his mis-shapen anatamy, (xxx rated folks, details not for public display), a resurrected (time diplaced?) Dogscoff cking the lap top adds, and what appears to be a number of clones running amoke. Hmmm, Mac reaches into his ever ready knapsack and pulls out his new Kaboomalator Clone Dispenser. He aims it at the Tigga clone and the rest, pushes a button, and low and behold all the clones in the cantina immediatly go to center stage and start line dancing to the music... ,, he smiles, looks at the Paladin, moves his bishop to queens five, orders another brewski, and inclines to watch the festivities on the dance floor. He also notices the Gryphin in the cornor taking moving video of the spectical commencing on the dance floor...

Saxon, I must agree, Mrs M. would surely shall we say, bring forth her beliefs upon the subject of beach babes upon noticing his attentions in their direction, however, sometimes, what she don't see, goes un-noticed (besides, I;m not that old yet that I still can't enjoy bouncing, jiggling, scantly clad beach bunnies) Now only if Liz H was there.....sigh New York is a ways from Cleveland, but if your ever in this part of the world, let me know, maybe we could get Tesco to join us (if he ever stands still long enough), I play my game on my home computer, no can do from work....

a vacation enjoying mac

[ July 31, 2002, 06:44: Message edited by: mac5732 ]

[Growltigga]

In a gesture of magnaminity worthy of Henry IV, Growltigga agrees not to eviscerate Dogscoff for his attempted decapitation, nor will be ban him from the cantina..

Growltigga goes over to the wall and quietly in a corner, flips up his comlink and says 'activate operation batfink' - a stasis field settles round the outside of the cantina, shielding it from all temporal fluxes and other miscellaneuos power surges, he then says 'activate operation britney' and a graviton transporter beam shoots onto the dancefloor, remving the linedancing clones and beaming them to a sanitorium, next comes "activate operation whitewash" and all with a flash, all country and western music in the bar is mysteriously vanished to nebraska.. penultimately, GT says 'activate operation nookie-bear', the ugly one torturing Geo turns into that tasty asian bint out of Rush Hour II, a screen drops down to shield what her and Lucy are getting up to from the rest of the cantina....

All that can now be heard is Geo occassionally whooping like a gibbon

finally, GT says 'activate operation deluge' and Taz gives him his favourite 15 pint pot of Bishop's Finger Ale and a packet of pork scratchings

[cue deep contented sigh]

PS Will not be around much today or at all tomorrow, am off to the Commonwealth Games to watch the best parts of the world (excluding europe) competing for top-hole medals - women's judo, netball and girls' athletics - hooooorrraaaaahhhhh

[ July 31, 2002, 10:57: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

[Puke]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Geo thanks Puke for taking his dispersions and offers to give him his reservations as well if he would like them.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Puke happily accepts Geo's reservations, and trots off for a dinner for two with a FBW at the Carnelian Room.

(quickly ducking past the pun police as he slips out the door)

[ July 31, 2002, 16:57: Message edited by: Puke ]

[Growltigga]

avoiding the pun police by lurking behind the bar, Growltigga looks upset as he realises the Geo's free dispersal of his reservations has given GT an appointment at the chiropodist to remove a corn followed by a bouffant and blow dry at 'Cut above'!!

[tesco samoa]

http://www.satirewire.com/charts/berners_lee.shtml

http://www.satirewire.com/charts/tolstoy.shtml
I found this very funny. Its the link of the day...

[ July 31, 2002, 20:03: Message edited by: tesco samoa ]

[Puke]

well, OOC and OT since i just ran out the door, but i guess i need those explained to me.

i take it that the berners-lee chart is supposedly funny because he is indeed the real inventor of the web. and if i understand the joke correctly, it would be alot funnier if the list was authored by Dr. Paul Mockapetris, the accredited inventor of DNS.

as for the Tolstoy chart, the only humor i can see in it is that it is completely non-senseical and the items represented are completely unrelated. i am probably just not educated enough to apreciate the humor, so if someonce could please explain this, i would be grateful. please explain in simple, childlike, small words, as i am prone to misunderstanding many forms of high-art.

i thought this one was funny though (note the small number of braincells required to understand the humor):
http://www.satirewire.com/charts/americans.shtml

[tesco samoa]

Yes. That chart makes more sence than most of the charts i see at work.... I am surprised they do not have a 'hockey stick' on it.

Ahh the world of big business and endless meetings.... To all you young inspiring Computer people out there... get out now.... and do something usefull with your life....

[Saxon]

Saxon enters the Cantina for the first time in some time. He simply wants a beer and is shocked at the level of violence and trickery that is involved in simply having a quick pint. Strapping on his kevlar ceramic reactive armor, he waves down a FBW and orders a bottle of Tusker and a pair of pistols for defense.

Mac, I suppose Ohio is a bit out of the way from New York, but I have been away so long that I now think of America as being one small town. Surely it isn’t too hard to commute? Oh well, I guess I will just have to suffer through the pain of being in the Big Apple and sigh when I think of what I have missed in Ohio. The way you describe the young flesh on the beaches of Cleveland makes me tingle all over. Or is that just the rash I got going to that bar Tigga told me about in London?

[Growltigga]

Guys, I have been up all night partying and am out at the games today.. I will not be home until tomorrow night and will play my turn then.. please do not process until then

Regards

[dogscoff]

Dogscoff sits at a table with a beer in his hand and a bank statement in the other. On the table in front of him is an array of computer hardware catalogues.

OK... I've decided not to go for that novatech laptop I mentioned the other day. I'm now looking at spending a little extra (well, about 25% extra=-) to get a Sony Vaio 701. Or maybe a 601. Maybe a bluetooth card as well to plug into it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Anyway, here's my question:

Does anyone know what sort of bandwidth I can expect using my mobile phone (ericcson T39m) as a modem across a bluetooth connection? How will it compare to a 56k modem dialup? I already use it for IR dialup and it is sloooow. Something like 9600, which is prohibitive even for downloading PBW files. And what's all this GPRS business? I know that's got something to do with it but what?

I've searched and searched with Google but haven't found any definitive answers to these questions. Any geeks out there who know about this stuff?

[Saxon]

Dogscoff,

Be careful with the Viaos. The small screen has reduced resolutions for some things and I can not play SEIV on mine. The game will only run on some resolutions and Viao does not allow those. Apart from this obviously fatal flaw, I quite like it, so figure out what you want to use it for before buying.

[dogscoff]

Thanks for the advice, Saxon but *ahem* I went out and bought one a few hours after posting that. Got me an fx701, and I think I'm in love http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Anyway, it will do 800x600 easy, and according to the specs it should (although I haven't tried it yet) handle 1024x768 on it's own screen.

Unfortunately I seem to have left my SEIV Gold disk at my brother's house when I was handing over my old computer and installing the game there. (he has a legitimate copy of his own, but I figured he'd have lost it=-) This means I won't be able to play SEIV on my new machine for a while. On the upside, my brother should be joining the forum just as soon as I can bully him into signing up. Suggested usernames for him will be welcomed, although I'm sure he'll come up with something interesting of his own.

In the meantime I'll just have to soldier on with my Tosh laptop=-)

[Growltigga]

I think you just want to carry the laptop round cos you think it looks cool!!

[dogscoff]

'Tig - that's part of it...

Me and the gf have just moved into a new flat which isn't much bigger than the old one. The layout of the phone sockets and things in the new place mean that we wouldn't be able to have a computer anywhere but in the lounge, which is crowded enough as it is.

Therefore I thought we'd have use have a laptop as our main computer. Since I already had a laptop that wasn't a problem, except that my new job might well involve quite a lot of travel: I'll want to take the laptop away (to keep up with PBW) and she'll want to keep it at home (to go Online from the lounge) - so the only solution is two laptops. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Seeing as I recently had a bit of a windfall (redundancy payment) I decided to treat myself to a new toy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

The added bonus is that my old but well-specced desktop can go to my brother who has a much bigger lounge, and whose old PC (something I cobbled together out of bits I had lying around) wasn't able to run SEIV.

[ August 02, 2002, 15:38: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

[Growltigga]

That sounds eminently logically and well swervy Scoffo.. I was only pulling your plonker mate..

I like laptop carriers, I actually hav a rather nice Spanish leather satchel styler bag which I think looks like the dingo's kidneys (it could be described a sa handbag by the very uncharitable) and given I wear heavy pinstripes, have a bald head and 6 foot tall and 17 stone (all finely tuned fat of course), I do enjoy standing with my hand on it (like those FAGBAGs MI5 use)putting my other hand to my ear and saying 'Hawk has left the building" just to see the reaction people give

I do have a laptop but that is used for pure work purposes and I prefer not to use it for SEIV (cos it doesn't seem to work as well)..

I have a PC back at Chateau Growltigga and it has a 17" monitor. I like to play SEIV on that because it more relaxing.

Guys, I will upload my turn tonight.

PS is there any way I can change the email address of my character so that I get the turns at home, rather than in the office?

[dogscoff]

You should be able to change your email address / add a second one through PBW's standard settings changing thingummy. Alternatively, set up an automatic fwd at your work address. That's what i do (with my webmail.)

OT...
I just joined the newly opened Sony "Clubvaio" forum. Thought I'd get in there early and get me some cheap respect with a low member number=-) Anyway, I know it's a new forum so you can't expect ppl to have gotten used to one another yet but the formality and on-topicness of the place hit me like a brick. I feel really out of place with all those arty Sony types. Somehow I get the feeling they won't be decapitating one another, snogging antlered ungulates and raising armies of killer mongeese over there.

Hey! Why don't we get the whole Shrapnel Forum to join up and liven things up a bit? We could take over the forum! I haven't gatecrashed a party in years! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

http://www.club-vaio.sony-europe.com/forum/index.php

*Dogscoff grabs his axe and viking helmet and rushes out of the cantina, shouting things like "Steal the houses!" "Plunder the livestock!", "Burn the women!" all the way down the road...

[Growltigga]

Well, you have hit the metal fastening implement right on the relevant surface for pounding there I think..

I think we cannot be as, ahem, creative on other forums as we are here. It says a lot for the patience and sense of humour of the people on this thread that they allow something like the cantina to carry on.

Many forums I can think would not tolerate our weirdness.

Growltigga watches the mad viking go skipping down the road and then pulls out his comlink and says "activate operation rain-of-fish" and sniggers as 3 tonnes of halibut drops on Dogscoff's noggin....

After being requested by Lucy, Growltigga also renews the supply of peanut butter for the Geo-baiting

[mac5732]

GT, you don't have to change your email address, all you have to do is go to the pbw game and clik on "get current turn", ths will open the game for you without using your email. That way when your at home you don't have to use your email to download or upload the game, then just delete the turn msg you get at work. just an idea you furry old Kat....

just some ideas mac

[geoschmo]

Baby steps Mac. Let's get him where he can consistantly upload his turn before we throw all these advanced features at him, ok? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[mac5732]

LOL

[Saxon]

Last night I was stopped by the cops and they informed me that my road tax had expired two days previously. They also informed me that this was a capital offense. I had guests in the car, the cop was being very aggressive and it had been a very bad day at work. 1000 shillings later (about $13 US) I was back on the road, safe from the threat of being hung for a traffic offense. My guests found this very entertaining, some local colour to add to their trip. I was pissed off, it is the first bribe I have had to pay in six years.

Can anyone front me the cash for a few pints? I have been cleaned right out and my car is grounded until I can get to the road tax people.

[Puke]

puke pops back in the door, orders two pints and slides one over to Saxon.

"Road Tax?"

[Growltigga]

Geo and Mac, I have been dowloading the current turn directly from the PBW website, and uploading my turns back because of the inequalities of the PBW system and the obvious inefficiency, malpractice, embezzling and poor personal hygiene of certain people called "George" who run the service!

Geo, as Il Duce of the Knutsford branch of the New Sabot Freedom Fighters, I warn you that any further snarky remarks will lead to a state of hostilities between said heroic freedom fighters and the foul technocrats of Ohio.. you would not like the loss of privelages that that would entail, like breathing for example!

[dumbluck]

You know, every time I look in here, you guys make me laugh. Then I just shake my head and wonder which "institution" you, erm, "exited without authorization"....

[mac5732]

Mac orders an extra large toot for El Saxon in regards to his bribery behaviour, and in front of witnesses no less, Road Tax, what the .... is a road tax? Mac waves at Puke and Dumbluck, notices that its a slow day in the cantina, hmm, not many patrons, so, hey Taz, drinks all around..... and since the Gryphin hasn't been around for unknown reasons,put it all on his tab http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Mac strolls out to the new improved, high tech, patio, places his order with a FBW, opens his book on 101 ways to win at chess and continues to relax while on vacation.... aahhhh, still have 2 more wks to go....

relaxing mac

[tesco samoa]

Mac will we ever be on the computer at the same time ??? I seem to miss you by about 5 minutes most of the time.

[Taz-in-Space]

...Taz delivers to Saxon the brew that Mac orders and (in a friendly bartender manner) inquires: "So an expired 'road tax' is a hanging offense? What punishment does say hit-and-run carry?"

Taz refills Saxon's mug and adds a little of the hard stuff.

"sounds like those police have trained with the Keystone Kops!"...

[Puke]

"None," speculates Puke, "if you are successfull in the 'run' bit."

[Puke]

duplicate post

[ August 04, 2002, 18:43: Message edited by: Puke ]

[Growltigga]

Saxon, I am awfully sorry to hear about your run-in with the local oinkers. I have 1 tip for you and 1 query.

Dealing with the tip first, I have been stopped quite a few times in south east asia by 'bent' policemen who see that you are a tourist driving a hire car and then proceed to tell you that you ran over a stop line that did exist until the white paint was eroded in the 1950's.. The fine they usually try and charge is whatever amount of local currency you have in your wallet! whether the legal 'chutzpah' helps or not, I dont know but I always say that I am a British lawyer on secondment to a government department and am a close personal friend of the national justice minister (look up his name first and carry a picture in your wallet if you can). Say you will pay the fine but pull out a notebook and take down the policemen's name, details, official number and a description of the location before hand. It is amazing how many of them suddenly develop cases of 'I will let you off this once sahib, say hello to Minister Bloggs for me". Of course, I also carry 2 wallets, one with about $5-10 of local currency, the other, buried in my underpants, with the rest of the cash

The query I have is that I thought you were a man of means? if this is the case, how does a 1,000 shilling ($13) make you broke?

[dogscoff]

Dogscoff shambles into the cantina, muttering incoherently and looking nervously over his shoulder. He orders "a big bottle of something strong" and then, after scouring the area for listening devices, sets up camp underneath one of the corner tables with a small sidearm and a copy of Orwell's 1984.

[Saxon]

Road tax is a pretty straightforward thing and a relatively progressive form of taxation. If you have a vehicle, you need to pay a yearly tax that goes to maintaining the roads upon which you will drive. It is not a very North American idea, where we think we have a god given right to good roads, but it is not a bad idea. The people who use the roads pay for using them and see that they are paying to do so. A petrol (gas) tax usually goes into general revenues and may or may not be used on the roads, while the road tax usually goes straight to the roads department.

In any case, I had not paid my yearly tax, so I was legitimately nailed by the cop. I wanted him to just give me the ticket and let me go to court (no simple and rational things like a fine at city hall, I would actually have to go to court) but he would not give me the ticket. Thus the informal, but time honoured, method of conflict resolution.

I did not get my wallet cleaned out, but I did end up paying about five times the going rate. I usually can talk my way out of these things or at least get the ticket I deserve issued, but not on this occasion. I even tried taking him up on his offer to spend the night in the cells, but he was not interested, at all, in due process. The Last time I ended up paying a bribe was when I was fresh in country and I actually thought I was paying bail. When I asked for the receipt, I found out just how ice cold a police officer can be, so I chalked that one up as a learning experience and got out of the station quickly.

I was thinking of Tigga’s trick of having a picture of the Justice Minister in my wallet, but have a better solution. I will keep a picture of my mother in my wallet, the sight of whom should make any man flee in terror.

The two wallets trick is very useful in muggings and break ins. I have some money set aside at home for such an occasion. It is enough to convince a thief they got the stash and hopefully convince them to leave. It is also nice to have the cash on hand in case of something unusual, like a coup. With elections coming up, we might get to have some interesting times. So, who was coming down to play hot seat during their vacation

[dogscoff]

It is also nice to have the cash on hand in case of something unusual, like a coup. With elections coming up, we might get to have some interesting times. So, who was coming down to play hot seat during their vacation
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Damn, and there's me whinging about the political situation over here.

*Dogscoff jumps out from under his table and fires his gun into the air until he has everyone's attention.

"I hereby propose that we all club together enough cash to found a self-sufficient colony on Mars, and declare independence from Earth. We can live without government in a state of anarchy, with no fear of being bullied or snooped on by the authorities, and no-one to interfere with our right to experiment with decent beers and commit random acts of cartoon violence."

With that a large section of the ceiling, loosened by the gunshots, crashes down and buries Dogscoff utterly.

[tesco samoa]

Tesco spent a nice weekend drinking Tusker, creemore, guiness, Harp and Tuborg....

Ahhh hot sunny days with little to do. Love weekends... And I have my new camera now... Casio qv-4000 so I have been taking pictures....

[Growltigga]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Tesco spent a nice weekend drinking Tusker, creemore, guiness, Harp and Tuborg....

Ahhh hot sunny days with little to do. Love weekends... And I have my new camera now... Casio qv-4000 so I have been taking pictures....<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Tusker? is that Fremlin's Tusker Ale? I havn't seen that in the UK for ages.. Creemore I presume is a local beer, Guiness we know and love, Harp has not been sold in England for about 10 years and Tuborg? cripes, that is a bLast from the past and no mistake...

Glad you had a good time Tesco, I spent the weekend at the Commonwealth Games watching the Canadians come in behid England and Australia on the medals tables

[Growltigga]

Saxon, we have road tax here in the UK and whilst I agree with you about its efficacy and functionality, we are having all sorts of fun over here as the government repeatedly are saying how they want to charge tolls on motorways (that is freeways to you north americans) and the public are gobbing off about how it is another sort of stealth tax etc....

I agree, I always keep cash at home, you never know when the proverbial fecal matter will hit the domestic air impeller unit and a stash of cash is the next best thing to a marine battalion in a tight situation. I kept quite a bit of cash at home until I found out that the current Mrs Gt had found the stash and had been spending it (she claimed it was housekeeping and she earns more than me the trout)..

[geoschmo]

Saxon, what you are forgetting is EVERYBODY uses the roads, not just the people with cars. At least in an industrialized, urban soceity that is true. Everybody that goes to the local market and buys produce that was grown on the other side of the continent uses the roads. The cost of transportation of goods and services is one of the largest parts of the end retail cost of everything we buy. If you only lay the burden of the road tax on the individuals that use the roads, be it private citizens or trucking companies, you raise the cost that they must charge you to buy the stuff they produce and ship.

Roads are infrastructure. They are one of the fundamental reasons for governments to exsist, beside national defense and protection of personal liberty. A road tax that is paid by vehicle would be paramount to only charging those that live on the borders with the defense budget.

EDIT: Sorry, this maybe isn't the place for this post. If someone wants to start a OT road tax thread I can move this there. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geo

[ August 05, 2002, 17:50: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[Lord_Shleepy]

*Lord_Shleepy yawns and rolls over on his motorized waterbed

I think dogscoff hasn't been getting enough sleep lately.

*Lord_Shleepy returns to his slumbers

[Puke]

Puke raises a mug in agreement with Geo, but also suggests that perhaps our government just assumes that its a citizens patriotic duty to own a car and burn forign oil, so they are just better off taxing everyone rather than finding a way to exempt the people that walk or ride a bicycle on a government maintained sidewalk or bicycle lane.

[capnq]

perhaps our government just assumes that its a citizens patriotic duty to own a car <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think the average American assumes that a car is a necessity. Those rare few of us who merely consider it a luxury are quite aware of how often owning a car is taken for granted.

[Gryphin]

OT?
As far as I know the only thing Off Topic here is Line Dancing and where it refers to GrowlTiggas active participation.

I would also mention that in the US and probably most nations the major road ways (such as the transcontinental rts like I10, I80, and I90) were built to support the military. Rapid movement of troops and equipment was the major purpose. A secondary requirement was to allow for the landing and take off of military aircraft.

[mac5732]

Saxon,I didn't think they had concrete rds overthere I thought they were all gravel or dirt http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif As to those of car owners, has anyone ever looked in your garage lately? You know, the large building that houses those metal monsters of gas guzzling, oil polluting pieces of pLastic. If one does, you will see that it most likely contains more junk then there is room for a car, therefore, I think we all need a garage tax, to help pay our time cleaning the d... things out every year. (doing this exaxt thing on my vacation and I didn't know we owned most of what I found, I even found stuff I havn't seen or used in years.... Yep, Garage Tax, thats the way to go, just let our political leaders know and they'll come up with a way to put the tax on...

Tesco, sorry we keep missing each other, Ive been trying, left msgs everywhere for ya, will keep trying. (maybe stop guzzling for an hour or two, it could be your a little bleary eyed and what you think is your computer is actually your dresser with knobs.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

also in researching the barbaric ritual of line dancing, it has been found that it originated from what was called the "Line Dance Boogie", which was found to be prevalent in the European countries back in the early days, and was a derivative of the "Minuete", some even say that the Boogie was titled in an un-named Island Nation close to France due to a beheading nature on the continent http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

aahhh, nothing like a mint julip on the new patio at the cantina to help one relax and dodge falling ceiling tiles from errant bullets.

still relaxing mac

[ August 05, 2002, 20:30: Message edited by: mac5732 ]

[Growltigga]

also in researching the barbaric ritual of line dancing, it has been found that it originated from what was called the "Line Dance Boogie", which was found to be prevalent in the European countries back in the early days, and was a derivative of the "Minuete", some even say that the Boogie was titled in an un-named Island Nation close to France due to a beheading nature on the continent http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Hmmm, I have heard some right tosh on this forum. Tosh so farfetched and stupid that even this mythical LLC character would be reccomending a psychotherapist BUT the above has to be the biggest load of poo poo smelling dung beetle infested garbage I have ever seen outside an American sitcom

Mac, I salute you. Only a spindle shanked old tosspot of your advanced years could come up with such a load of dogpoo

[Growltigga]

As far as I know the only thing Off Topic here is Line Dancing and where it refers to GrowlTiggas active participation.

Gryphin, first, good to see you back, I have missed your wit and charm and sexual proclivities - where have you been?

Secondly, that is not off topic as such, just dangerous for anyone to go into

[Saxon]

Geo,

You are right, everyone benefits from roads, just as we all benefit from an educated society based on school taxes. However, do we all benefit equally and can we all pay equally? No, we do not and can not. Further, many of the costs of roads are hidden, which creates a distorted marketplace for the goods on offer.

Now, the typical North American view is that roads and personal car ownership are a god given right, as well as a universal benefit to all, is not shared throughout the world. What a road tax does is put a cost on using the roads. (This next section is theoretical, we all know the real world does not do this well)

Roads do cost society through building, maintenance, pollution, police monitoring, traffic deaths, congestion and opportunity cost. By placing a cost on it, it allows society to recoup some of the cost and, to my mind, allows each individual a choice in how much of the cost they feel like paying. If you have your own car, you will pay 100% of the cost of it, via our theoretically perfect road tax. If you chose instead to use public transit, you will pay only a very small fraction of the bus’s cost to society over the year. You benefit from the road either way, but you choose the level at which you pay and also influence the level of cost which society bears. If everyone took the bus, we would need fewer big roads, there would be less pollution and maintenance would be less. Instead, we chose private cars and have resultantly more pollution, maintenance and freeways. Transport companies will pay more for their big trucks and will pass the costs on to the consumers. They may choose to switch to rail, which is more efficient for some kinds of products, has less deaths per kilometer traveled, and requires less policing.

If we put the price of using the road on the Users, we should also remove the price we are now charging everyone indirectly. As such, while the transport companies would pay much high road taxes, everyone would have lower company and income tax. They would then be able to pay the higher charges on goods and might choose the locally grown apples to the ones brought halfway across the continent.

Public transit is particularly woeful in North America because the real costs of the road network are not carried by the Users of the road. For financial reasons, more people would use public transit if faced with the true cost of owning a car, which would lead to public transit becoming more viable. Look at New York. It is expensive to run a car, so the subway, busses and taxis are very busy and do pretty well. My old boss considered a car essential here in Nairobi and does not have one in NY.

Determining what is an accurate costing of the impact of roads on society is next to impossible. This does not mean we should not try, nor that we should assume that the level of benefits automatically outstrips the negative costs. Even if the level of benefits is higher than the costs (and I agree with you, it usually does) we still need to determine who will bear the costs and how they will be recovered. (As an aside, Japan is sinking huge amounts of cash into public works, including roads. They are widely criticized for spending too much on these things, threatening their already slow economic growth. Sometimes you can have too many roads)

In most places, part of the cost of roads is paid for out of general taxation, so there is no link between behavior and result. I feel that more direct taxes are better, as it lets you know where your money is going and also allows you to decide if it is something of which you approve. The other part of the cost of roads is paid by those who live next to the road. Put a freeway next to your house and you pay when your property value drops. You pay much more and get nothing in return. Road tax does not stop you from paying, but does ensure that the guys driving by your house in the middle of the night pay. The guy who rides his bike and does not pay road tax probably does not wake you up as he rides by.

I have to run, so two more quick points. Roads kill at lot of people. I think 30,000 died in 1999 in the US. I looked it up after September 11 to get a sense of perspective. Look up traffic deaths with Google. The status quo kills and we could take steps to change it, like putting more people on buses driven by professionals or on trains. We pay in blood for our transport system, a hidden cost that most refuse to acknowledge.. The other point is that I do not think we could have 100% of the costs covered by a road tax, I just want a system where your choices of transport are influenced by the real costs. It is a fairly universal good, but I think the costs should be covered differently than the current model. Defense is the classic example of why some things should not be pay as you go, thought the Falkland Islanders do get a lot of value for their money. Education should have good government support, but I think that allowing parents to influence the schools through supplemental payments is not a bad thing.

Gotta run, which is probably better for all witnessing this extended post.

[Saxon]

Geo,

We do have some asphalt on the roads, but it is pretty patchy, so you pound the hell out of your suspension. When you get out of town, your main problem is goats, the buggers like to run across the road just as I drive by. Actually, I lie, the main problem is people on the road, especially kids who were not told by their Mom to look both ways before crossing the road. The goats usually only come on the road to drink from the potholes.

Over here it is pretty clear that the people with money use the roads and those without money do not. If you can buy imported goods, you have money. If you own a car, you have money. Those who walk or eat only food grown by their neighbor, do not have money. However, those without money still pay for the road by suffering pollution and run over goats. Thus, my extended dissertation on road tax.

[Gryphin]

Where have I been?
Practicing my charm and Passive Agressive behavior at work.
Pursuing my procliveties at home.
Playing poker and drinking Corsendonk Abby Pale Ale from Belgem. Nice end to a day if my charm failed and my procliveties are not persuable.
Finishing touch to a day where all went smoothly.

[ August 06, 2002, 12:19: Message edited by: The High Gryphin ]

[Trajan]

Trajan drags his tired old butt into the cantina, waves hello to the assembled regulars (Tigga, Gryph, Mac, Taz etc.), grabs a seat at the bar and orders a nice hot espresso to help him wake up after a long long Monday and in anticipation of an equally long long Tuesday at the office.

Maybe, if I am lucky, my wife will let me play tonight, though, after playing for ten hours on Sunday I do not think that will happen.

Cheers!
Trajan

[Growltigga]

I was thinking of Tiggas trick of having a picture of the Justice Minister in my wallet, but have a better solution. I will keep a picture of my mother in my wallet, the sight of whom should make any man flee in terror.

Ooh, that is a bit nasty - I am sure Mummy Saxon would be mortified to think her baby boy was casting dispersions about her on a website full of north americans and other idiots.. Saxon, these are bent policemen, they may think you mother is a complete fox and chase YOU all over the shop

[Trajan]

Bored out of his mind, waiting for the latest run of collateral needed for this weekend's trade show to finish printing, Trajan decides to stop by the cantina and babble.

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[Gryphin]

Tigga,
All generalizations are false, (including the statement that all generalizations are false).
Please remember,
I am not idiotic.
I am chaotic and quixotic.

I don’t post as often these days because the stuff they have given me for my ADD has ripped a lot of my impulsive humor out of me. In short, I have gotten more serious, focused, and calculating. I used to end a game about the time I had 30 planets. It was just too much for me to deal with. Now I can keep going well past 50. For me that is a major achievement. I know I’ll have to get better to complete on PBW.
Categorical Statement:
I will be ready when the time comes to handle any empire I can build or capture.

[tesco samoa]

Tolls now that is a different topic... They are starting to pop up in canada...

Don't know if I am happy about that... Kind of a double dip if you ask me.

[Trajan]

There are several toll roads around Washington DC. One of them is set as a toll-road to the Dulles Airport. If you are going only to the airport and back out again, then you can ride in the "Free" internal lanes. If you are using the road to commute to and from work/home then you pay $.50 (US) to enter and I think $.50 to exit. I may be wrong on the amounts, but that's approximately right.

There is another toll-road that was initally built using private monies with some state/federal assistance. The toll's for this road (The DUlles Greenway) are substantially higher. I think they are in the $2.00 (US) range, with no charge to exit, though I may be wrong.

I don't mind paying the tolls, if the highways are kept up and continuously updated. So long as the roads are repaired, plowed, patrolled etc...then I am happy...though poorer.

Cheers!
Trajan

[tesco samoa]

DVD release day..

Tesco purchases Simpsons season 2 and the Wrath of Khan directors cut....

LOTR is in november for me... I want the 4 dvd package..

[DirectorTsaarx]

Originally posted by Trajan:
There are several toll roads around Washington DC. One of them is set as a toll-road to the Dulles Airport. If you are going only to the airport and back out again, then you can ride in the "Free" internal lanes. If you are using the road to commute to and from work/home then you pay $.50 (US) to enter and I think $.50 to exit. I may be wrong on the amounts, but that's approximately right.

There is another toll-road that was initally built using private monies with some state/federal assistance. The toll's for this road (The DUlles Greenway) are substantially higher. I think they are in the $2.00 (US) range, with no charge to exit, though I may be wrong.

I don't mind paying the tolls, if the highways are kept up and continuously updated. So long as the roads are repaired, plowed, patrolled etc...then I am happy...though poorer.

Cheers!
Trajan<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Technically, the Dulles Greenway is just an extension of the Dulles Toll Road, connecting out to Leesburg. I forget what the toll is at the main plaza, and if you're heading to Leesburg I don't think there's a toll for exiting. But if you're heading back towards Dulles Airport there's a toll for exiting. Or, if you go that far, a toll at the main plaza. Same thing at the other end (Tyson's Corner area): there's a main toll plaza with a 50 cent charge; certain exits/entrances have tolls of 25 cents (and the exit/entrance at Route 28 has a 35 cent toll) depending on how far they are from the main plaza.

Yeah, I know the above is only of interest to those of us who live in the area, but since I commute to work on that road I thought I'd provide some enlightenment. I'd also like to point out that tolls enforce a certain amount of supply/demand theory on traffic: that is, some people would prefer to use other roads rather than pay tolls. Therefore, the cost of using the road is less than the cost of extra time and/or hassle to use other roads. Which means less traffic for me to deal with. Oh yeah, that reminds me - I also know someone who routinely (as in every single workday) goes to the gas station at the airport, buys $1.00 - $2.00 worth of gas, and then uses the "free" lanes to commute to the office. If he gets stopped, he can prove that he "had business at the airport" and he gets to use the "free" lanes (which, most importantly for the morning commute, have VERY little traffic - after all, he can't be saving much money after paying higher prices for the gasoline).

[Growltigga]

and drinking Corsendonk Abby Pale Ale from Belgem. Nice end to a day if my charm failed and my procliveties are not persuable.

Verily, there speaketh a man who is contenteth with his lot in life..

Good to see you back posting - I have kind of missed our verbal scraps - Geo is a good debater but our discussions just have not been as, ahem, mucky as yours and my discussions were

[mac5732]

Tolls here in the good old USA are becoming more prevalent all over. I went to Flordia (Disney World, and went to the space center etc) and there were tolls every few miles. The cost wasn't more then, If I remember right, 10-25 cents. Here in Ohio, we have the Turnpike which is a toll road. I'm with Trajan, as long as the money for the tolls goes for the up keep of the highway, I have no problem paying, its the cost of quick access to where your going and worth the money in the long run, in fact during the winter the Turnpike is probably the best plowed interstate in Ohio vs some of the others we have I-71, I480 etc. A road tax, if it was only and used only for the road up keep, I believe most people would be for it. The problem would be to keep the politicians from using the money for their pet projects instead. The Ohio Lottery was originally supposed to go for our schools, well, in reality that is not the case, not all that money goes to them. If I'm not mistaken Michigan either still has or used to have a highway tax and their interstates were always in great shape compared to a lot of other states. Just my 2 cents worth

Saxon, its most illuminating to see you posting once again, also the Gryphin, Now if we can only get Mephisto back from his partying to partake of the new cantina.... but until he returns, TAZ, PUT THE DRINKS ON HIS TAB... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Tesco, I must say you did wonders with the new patio here at the new improved cantina, and the new outdoor FBW outfits are most appreciated to us older, more mature, studious, minions of the study of the farther reaches of the cosmos, aahh

Tigga, the scientific information on the Line Dancing Boogie was researched in depth thru various universities and in which The Gryphin most selflessly added his own research input into the study of this barbaric ritual and which I understand is becoming somewhat of a fad in some of the Europeans countries once more. If one looks closly at the Minuet one can see a resemblence to the current day boogie which is just a modern day Version of the older dance from way back, Thus, you see that Line Dancing has been around for quite some time and was used by everyone's forefathers at one time or another and we are just now reclaiming the heritage from everyones past http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

just some ideas mac

[Taz-in-Space]

...Taz pauses from wiping the bar to check on Mephisto's tab and sees that there is plenty room on it to fill...

"Hmmm, seems to me that most of the regulars prefer to use somebody else's tab! Oh Well, not my concern, I'm here to serve the drinks. (and Um 'quality check' the potables) It's the management's job to police the 'tab situation'"

BTW Thanks Trajan. Always wanted to know what a 'Tower of Babble' looked like! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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[DirectorTsaarx]

Originally posted by mac5732:
Tolls here in the good old USA are becoming more prevalent all over. I went to Flordia (Disney World, and went to the space center etc) and there were tolls every few miles. The cost wasn't more then, If I remember right, 10-25 cents. Here in Ohio, we have the Turnpike which is a toll road. I'm with Trajan, as long as the money for the tolls goes for the up keep of the highway, I have no problem paying, its the cost of quick access to where your going and worth the money in the long run, in fact during the winter the Turnpike is probably the best plowed interstate in Ohio vs some of the others we have I-71, I480 etc. A road tax, if it was only and used only for the road up keep, I believe most people would be for it. The problem would be to keep the politicians from using the money for their pet projects instead. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">all right, one more comment on tolls & road taxes; I've heard that the Pennsylvania Turnpike (a toll road, obviously) has collected enough tolls over the years to pay for initial construction, plus upkeep, and now the vast majority of the tolls collected goes to paying the salaries of the toll collectors... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

I'll go back to my corner table now and hide from the family that has descended upon my house for the week in preparation for my (future) parents-in-law's 50th wedding anniversary celebration...

[Growltigga]

We dont have tolls in England (save for some bridges build under private sector initiatives) and I dont think we want them..

The whole point of our road tax was that it was meant to be the one and only charge motorists pay for the upkeep of the motorway system...

Kind of works on a stellar scale really, the galaxy has black holes, we have the M6 through Birmingham.

[tesco samoa]

If I'm not mistaken Michigan either still has or used to have a highway tax and their interstates were always in great shape compared to a lot of other states.

Mac... Michigan roads were the worst roads I ever did drive on... Pot holes so big they could swallow a mini whole ( in michigan a mini is 1/4 ton truck chassis with the 25000 dollar option of 4 seats in the back ... or a Small SUV ).... I do hope Ohio roads are better than that....

[Trajan]

Gentlemen,

There was a time, when Michigan highways were touted as some of the best in the nation, though that was when I was a young lad living on the shores of Lake Michigan.

Now they are in reasonable shape (I alst drove on them Last fall (2001) and probably worse than many states.

I am not sure what Michigan does for state funding of their roads, though it is probably wrapped up in the sales, income, property taxes that we normally pay in most States of the union.

Cheers!
Trajan

[capnq]

I've heard that the Pennsylvania Turnpike (a toll road, obviously) has collected enough tolls over the years to pay for initial construction, plus upkeep, and now the vast majority of the tolls collected goes to paying the salaries of the toll collectors... <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">According to the financial factsheet at the PA Turnpike Web site {link] (http://www.paturnpike.com/), the annual cost of collecting the tolls is $59.9M, while the maintenance cost is only $45.8M, but those are both only a fraction of the annual net revenue of $348M.

The PA Turnpike uses a system where you're given a punch card when you enter, then pay the total for the distance travelled when you exit.

[DirectorTsaarx]

Originally posted by capnq:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by DirectorTsaarx: I've heard that the Pennsylvania Turnpike (a toll road, obviously) has collected enough tolls over the years to pay for initial construction, plus upkeep, and now the vast majority of the tolls collected goes to paying the salaries of the toll collectors... <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">According to the financial factsheet at the PA Turnpike Web site {link] (http://www.paturnpike.com/), the annual cost of collecting the tolls is $59.9M, while the maintenance cost is only $45.8M, but those are both only a fraction of the annual net revenue of $348M.

The PA Turnpike uses a system where you're given a punch card when you enter, then pay the total for the distance travelled when you exit.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Obviously, my original post was just an urban legend... I suspected as much, but it's such a funny thought I had to pass it on anyway. Thanks for researching that, capn...

[Growltigga]

Bugger roads.. these are boring subjects...

Ladies, Gentlemen, old sods like Mac and weird young folk with acne who need to get off their computers, have a shower, get down the gym and discover women...

Oh, and Gryphin

I HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT

I have an annoucement which will explain (a) why I am pissed as a very drunk thing indeed and (b) have had about 4 cigars already (which is bad given that I gave up smoking Last christmas)

I am very pleased to announce (cos it means I am not a jaffa) that the current Mrs GT has told me this evening that she is expecting...

Yes, this means that Tigga Junior is on his way....

The current Mrs Gt swears it is mine, and that the drunken recollection of Enrique Iglesias in the bedroom is a complete fabrication and Enrique does not look like the bloke down the chipshop inany way...

Hmmm.. I feel a DNA test coming up but what the hell..

CLAN TIGGA STARTS HERE...

10 more and I will have Chelsea's first team

GOD PRAISE ME

[Trajan]

For Tigga's about to spawn...

I salute you!

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Cheers!
Trajan

[PaladinOfEarth]

Blink, Blink, Blink
Um, 10 more and I think you will have a divorce.
Congrats, may they be as intelligent at you and atractive as Ms GT.

Had to come out of the shadows to express my sincere appelations.

By the way, what are you getting drunk on?

[ August 08, 2002, 00:58: Message edited by: PaladinOfEarth ]

[Gryphin]

Well, we always knew you had testosterone. How else could you post the way you do?

That is another thing you have done that I never will.

I wish you the best and brightest (and like my Pal - lident said, I hope they get Ms. GT's looks)

[geoschmo]

Damn, just what the world needs, more laywers. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Congrats Gt. Really, couldn't be happier for you.

Geoschmo

[mac5732]

Fantastic GT, Congrats to you and Mrs GT, little ones are great to have around (messy diapers, rotten 2's, terrible 3's, 3am feedings, diaper bag, bottles, plus all the new furniture for the nursery) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif just kidding GT, I very happy for you and Mrs GT. Just remember, its cigars around upon the birth..... Good ones to...

My Good Taz, Drinks all around, everyone raise your glass or bottle or whatever in a Toast to the GT's on their winfall of a little Tigga, (GT did you ask the doctor if it could be twins, one likes to hide behind the other you know http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )

TO Mr & Mrs GT and to the new soon to Be additional little Tigga

a happy for you mac

[Taz-in-Space]

...Great news GT! So when do you expect the pitter - patter of little paws?

For this great news, drinks are on the house all week!!

[Puke]

Indeed, congrats are in order. I expect a new PBW player within 10 months, then.

[Growltigga]

Ooh I woke up d'is morning with an extremely sore head thinking it was all a dream but no, the current Mrs GT is still looking extremely smug..

Paladin, to answer your question, I started off on 'Raffles' strength G&T's, followed by a bottle and a half of Cuvee Prestige, the current Mrs GT has forsaken drinking so I had a half bottle of Moet Chandon I was saving and then I think I was then at the stage of drinking bacardi spice, absolut vodka and creme de cassis all mixed together, I am sure that I had a load of Monte Cristo cigars as well but I couldn't tell for certain! oh, looking at my post, I did, which explains why my mouth feels like I have 4 french waiters living in it, each one with bad halitosis

Drinks are on my tab for the next month.. what with doing up the baby room, buying all this tosh the current Mrs GT insists we need etc is going to bankrupt me..

I am slightly nervous at the mo' cos current Mrs GT is at the doctors finding out whether she can fly to Borneo in 21/2 weeks.. she didnt look to happy when I suggested I went on my own!

You are right about looks by the way, if the girls favour the current Mrs Gt, all should be well (I do not hang around with ugly women), if they favour me, the chances of anyone marrying a 6 foot 110 kilo bald bird are minimal

[ August 08, 2002, 10:56: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

[Growltigga]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Damn, just what the world needs, more laywers. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I can assure you that my kids are not going to be lawyers, 2 in the clan is enough already...

My sons will be sportsmen or captains of industry, my daughters will be exotic dancers or supermodels

[Saxon]

Goodness! Tigga always takes things to extremes. Just as the Galactic Bash is in the rapid expansion phase and everyone is sending out colony ships, Tigga has gone a step farther and has started multiplying in the real world.

This is very good news. Once the child comes, Tigga will have to wake up in the middle of the night to change nappies and will then be unable to return to sleep. Naturally, he will sit at the computer and send in his most recent turn of SEIV before moving over to the Pampers website.

Seriously, well done and good luck with all the upcoming challenges. The world needs more people with quick wit, so it is good to see you contributing to the gene pool. Well, let me say it is good to know you are contributing to the gene pool, I do not want to see you in the act of contributing.

[Growltigga]

Originally posted by Saxon:
Well, let me say it is good to know you are contributing to the gene pool, I do not want to see you in the act of contributing.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Saxon, than you for providing me with a unique experience: that of finding on of your remarks funny http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I actually had thought that I was Banned from the gene pool for acrobatics and pushing!!

I am the happiest man on the planet now. The doctor has said that my wife can fly to Borneo so I am just pickled at that...

My colleagues have also bought me an expectant father's present being the DVD of 'Lord of the Rings' so that is tomorrow night sorted out

And as wifey has given up the evil drink, that means all that wine is FOR MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

MWA MWA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

[Growltigga]

Something has arisen after viewing the "Communication ethics in PBW" thread.

I would like to raise a possible 'house rule' in the Galactic Bash game.

Looking at that thread, I was a bit surpriused to see that people comminucate outside the fora of the game to make alliances, discuss double crosses etc.. my view is that this is something which should be carried out, in character and in the game..

If I want an alliance with Dogscoff against Mac, I should do that through the diplomacy window in character etc

I appreciate this is practically unenforceable but as we are all men of integrity and honour, is this something we can commit to?

Opinions please.

[DirectorTsaarx]

Congrats GT! Of course, now I have scenes from Monty Python's Meaning of Life running through my head...

"That's the machine that goes DING!"

"Every Sperm Is Sacred...." "I'm afraid I'm going to have to sell you all for medical experiments."

So what kind of cigars are you handing out at the Cantina to celebrate? I gave up smoking 6 years ago, but of course an occasional cigar doesn't count... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[DirectorTsaarx]

Originally posted by Growltigga:
Something has arisen after viewing the "Communication ethics in PBW" thread.

I would like to raise a possible 'house rule' in the Galactic Bash game.

Looking at that thread, I was a bit surpriused to see that people comminucate outside the fora of the game to make alliances, discuss double crosses etc.. my view is that this is something which should be carried out, in character and in the game..

If I want an alliance with Dogscoff against Mac, I should do that through the diplomacy window in character etc

I appreciate this is practically unenforceable but as we are all men of integrity and honour, is this something we can commit to?

Opinions please.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">WHAT??? A serious discussion in the Cantina? I think fatherhood is changing you, tigga old boy...

Having said that, I think most people on this forum are willing to abide by "gentlemen's agreements", even if none of us ARE gentlemen...

[Gryphin]

While I will abide by the concesus,
The complexities of deals exceed the capacity of the Diplomatic screen. There certainly could be the Gist of agreements transmitted that way, but overall, I think it would be very limmiting.
I think there is a limit to how many characters you can put into a diplomatic screen.

[Growltigga]

I agree that the diplomatic screen will take oodles of time to get complex points across but hell, that just means it takes hyou several months to iron out a complex deal which at interstellar disctances, seems fair and reasonable to me

[Mephisto]

Congratulations, GT! And thanks that you have proven that not everything a lawyer does is theoretical... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[mac5732]

In regards to diplomacy, I agree that it should be carried out during the game and only after contact with each specific race. Maybe we could ask Richard, Geo, Aarron on the possibility of increaseing the space limitations in the diplomacy screen at least during PBW games, I don';t know if thats possible.

If I want to ask Dogscoff for an alliance against Mac!!! Why is it the young ones always want to pick on us older, slower, non violent types.... sigh, (be careful, be very very careful, look to the sky, its "THEM" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

Gryphin, I think its time you revive your Bash story thread.....

Mephisto, its good to see your still hanging in there,

just some ideas mac

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[capnq]

Thanks for researching that, capn <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Part of it was "state pride"; I've lived in PA all my life, and the Turnpike is the fastest route between my home and my parents', when I visit for holidays. The part about the construction cost being long paid off is true. I didn't dig far enough to find whether the surplus stays in the PennDoT budget, or goes to the state's General Fund.

I'll add my congrats to Growltigga while I'm here, but I'll pass on the cigar.

[Raging Deadstar]

After many hours travelling a large dreadnought parks into the lot outside the fabled bar, promptly hitting a galactic parking meter leaving a huge dent on the outside. Cursing quietly to himself a young man enters into the Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong's Head Cantina. Narrowly ducking incoming bottles.

After hearing about this place on the BspaceB tv satellites, was there an end to corporate expansion??, he had decided to visit. The sight of many regulars rejoicing in drunk celebration of Growltigga's announcement wasn't the sight he had expected.

Though as more bottles and objects flew across the cantina he felt the familliar tripping over a chair, landing face first on a table, knocking over a bottle and yet again cursing to himself, though the lake of alchohol that trickled into his mouth and scantily clad FBW maybe it wasn't so bad... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ August 08, 2002, 21:19: Message edited by: Raging Deadstar ]

[Growltigga]

Raging Deadstar

Welcome to the Cantina.

I am drunk again as friends have turnedup from all over the place to celebrate. In fact my half brother has just flown in from Stockholm (how is that for family ties) and we are all celebrating by drinking the 3 bottles of akavit (sic?) he brought over...

You say you are from a black hole just off the English countryside, that means you are from Hull, Leicester or Birmingham

Which one?

PS thanks to everybody for their kind words.. it is a shock, it is scary, and at the end of the day, I am a little upset cos I wanted to spend another couple of years practicing

[mac5732]

I must address my earlier post on email msgs, after discussions with a number of members of the forum and cantina, I must agree that email should be allowed once each race has met in the game. The time frames allowed seem to inhibit some of the msgs. However, I do still agree that the races must meet lst in order to converse. Beat me....

Mac quickly orders another brewski (since the Tigga is buying and besides he appears to already be a little unsteady so probably wouldn;t realize it anyhow), drinks it down, staggers out to the patio to contemplate and most graciously passes out.

zzzzzzzzzz'n mac

[Taz-in-Space]

...Walking in via the patio,on his way to work, Taz passes by a comatose older man in a funny hat. Not one to pry (yea,right) he motions for one of the FBW's to throw a blanket on that old(er) man. Can't have the regulars catching colds and passing away. (note:deadly mayhem - yes accidental colds - NO)

As Taz relieves the other (unknown) bartender, he notices a notice saying that GT's tab is being used all this month. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif And wonders of wonders - GT himself suggested it!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif Parenthood does produce miracules!

Well patrons, belly up the the bar and order away before GT comes to his senses!...

Oh and will somebody help that new guy, Raging Deadstar, off the floor? We need to mop up that spilled booze! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Raging Deadstar]

Eventually waking up (thanx to Taz's cleaners wiping the mop over his face) Raging Deadstar decides that he must unveil the reason why he came to the cantina. Getting on a stool, and promptly falling off after the *cough*free*cough* drink he found Last night, he announces that he must relinquish an empire of his, and needs a very special emperor to take contol of it. Will anyone come to his help?

Reply to GT: Actually no lol, i live near Carlisle, which is in the lake district, cumbria. Trust me, Hull, Leicester or Birmingham look like this place on happy hour compared to cumbria! And don't worry about the whole "trying" thing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif The little tykes don't figure out what ur doing until they're about 7!

[Growltigga]

Raging Deadstar, hey, Carlisle is not to far north of me.. I am down in Manchester but I might add not a local by any means.. I do not walk around saying 'sorted, mad for it, eeh great, our kid and pal"

Hull, Leicester and Birmingham? they are the cloaca maxima's of their respective regions

[Gryphin]

Pappa Tigga,
What do you walk around saying?

[dogscoff]

Pappa Tigga,
What do you walk around saying?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Various cute quoatations from A A Milne, presumably.

GT- congrats. I only just got back to the forum after a 3 day stint in Munich, so I'm just catching up.

As for the in-game comms things... i think email is acceptable as long as it's only after in-game contact and that everyone agrees to the rules. However if other players want to restrict it to in-game comms, that fine by me.

[dogscoff]

*Having been away from the Cantina for a few days, Dogscoff is looking forward to a friendly bout of cartoon violence with 'Tig. He sneaks up behind the cat and silently begins to set up a cunning "falling piano" trap.

Then suddenly he thinks of the little unborn 'Tigling, and the look on pregnant Mrs GT's face when the father-to-be comes home with piano keys instead of teeth. Dogscoff ashamedly dismatles the trap and skulks back to his corner table.

[Growltigga]

and as El Scoffo settles down into his favourite chair at his favourite corner table and with a portion of his favourite chocolate log dessert, he squarks in surprise as suddenly clamps whip out of the floor and pin his arms and legs firmly, he is flipped onto his back on the table and with a grin, Tigga activates his new heterodyne laser out of the ceiling which starts to burn a trail a la Goldfinger toward Scoffo's trouser camels...

Suddenly, a vision of parenthood and respondsibility sweeps over Tigga and he realises that senseless violence toward anyone with daft goatee beards is not a legacyt he would wish to pass on to his offspring. He deactivates the laser, releases El Scoffo and instead beckons to the FBW who goes like a kangaroo wrestling with a space hopper to take El Scoffo to the Chill Out Room..

Bugger thinks GT, I must think of some constructive fun I can get up to

[tesco samoa]

As the game admin I will lay down the law on communications....

All communications between empires can happen with any medium after they have met. NO communications about in game stuff will be allowed with empires you have not met via one on one encounter or through partners etc...

Tigga the reason for this is that communication takes to long in the game. Where only one message per turn is allowed... To over come this one must use other means. This is not cheating. It is overcoming the limitations of the game.

[tesco samoa]

K-M good to see you back... how have you been my friend ??

[Raging Deadstar]

Smiles as dogscoff's better judgement (is there such a thing?) catches up on him. (Though Growltigga with piano teeth coming home would be exceptionally funny! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

Memo to self: must get weird head that announces "the door is ajar" every 5 minutes, would make an extremely useful ship alarm

Sorry for asking all of this but its urgent!
Can anyone please Give me links to the following!
Links to download the Cytherian Empire and The League Of Empires shipsets! (made by Hadrian Aventine of Space Empires.org, he hasn't uploaded them!)
If anyone knows Ryan Begemann or has his Asguard shipset that'd be nice to lol
A good page with advice on how to make All AI txt files
Oh and the TDM mod pack!
(I had the full Version Of SEIV but i lent it out. I'm having to use SEIV and SEIV Gold Demos at the mo lol! The SHAME! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif )

[ August 09, 2002, 18:21: Message edited by: Raging Deadstar ]

[Raging Deadstar]

Growltigga needs fun? by the sounds of it u been having too much already! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif U could always take this.... *pulls a jar of hellmans mayonaise from behind his back* This is an empire thats formed inside a mayonaise jar. *opens lid to be greeted with hundreds of cheers and huge cities built on mouldy mayonaise, MIB2 style* I kinda left it in the air lock for too long with some dirty washing. Give it to taz to put on sum1s food, they don't like being eaten and give u indegestion bad enougth to make u explode, perfect for "constructive fun*

Oh please help me with my list off stuff below anyone

Note to GT: Is that whole blocking temporal fluctuations barrier still up. Cos i was so hoping to travel back in time to use other peoples tabs? Or is that why its installed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ August 09, 2002, 21:45: Message edited by: Raging Deadstar ]

[Growltigga]

I walk around saying 'bill bill bill', I also walk around sayig "good morning - that will be £3, good morning sir - that will be £5, you would like a meeting - that will be £10, you would like me to draft something - that will be £1,000". I also walk around saying "bouncy bouncy bouncy bouncy", sometimes I walk around saying "look at the jugs on that bimbo". Most of the time I walk around saying "yes dear", "no darling" and "trap my fingers in the desk Sir William, I cannot wait until lunchtime"

how about we agree to in-game com screen only for the Galactic Bash??

[ August 09, 2002, 12:08: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

[mac5732]

RD, in regards to your list, just contact Hadrian,in regards to TDM contact Mephisto, he's usually around or you could try the Mods section on the forum or the PBW sight for shipsets.

Mac snuggles under the blanket the Taz covered him with, curls up and continues to dream of Liz Hurly in his stupor state of contentment. Aahh Tesco, these new concrete floors on the Patio feel like mattresses... you did a find job on the remodel he mutters to himself as his oblivious mental facitlities continue to put him into LA LA land...... ahhh still another week left on vacation..... but Mrs M is off next week he mumbles,.... domestic chores coming up.... he growls to himself, but.. in the meantime... aaahhhh the facilitating aspects of dreamland while in an high state of unawareness except for ones mind creating excerts...

a groggy (hic) Mac

[Raging Deadstar]

Raging Deadstar finally returns (after no-one realised he'd gone) from his short excursion to which he had discovered an old wise man named pubert, his advice was "Fatherhood, it ruins your life!" an omen for tigga it may seem

Ahhhh Mac u lucky old dog. Domestic Chores??? I always go for a Last minute clean up myself, and more time playing PBW without people on the phone! No partners nagging about time u spend on SEIV. Ah well i'm eating chinese food and wondering why the hell did i try and convert a gas giants atmosphere to None? Maybe i wasn't thinking lol (*note* it doesn't work)

Sitting down at his now accustomed seat, the one at the back which gives a safe distance from mayhem, Raging Deadstar contemplates the future.
"Now when will i research master computers???? Instead of rely on that dam microsoft thing, that blue screen everytime i start up my dreadnought is really getting annoying...."

[Atrocities]

*****HAZARDOUS MATERIALS INFORMATION BULLETIN*****
MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET NO. EZ36C-24-36
"WOMAN" A CHEMICAL ANALYSIS

Element: Woman
Symbol: Wo
Discoverer: Adam

Atomic mass: Accepted as 53.6 kg; may vary from 40-200 kg.
Occurrence: Copious quantities in all urban areas, concentrations noted in and around malls.

Physical properties:

1. Surface usually covered in painted film
2. Boils at nothing, freezes without any known reason
3. Melts if given special treatment
4. bitter if used incorrectly
5. Exists naturally in various states: ranges from virgin metal to common ore.
6. Yields to pressure at correct points
Chemical properties:
1. Has great affinity for gold, silver, and a range of precious stones
2. Absorbs great quantities of expensive substances
3. may explode spontaneously with no warning and for no reason
4. Insoluble in liquids, but activity increases greatly after saturation in alcohol
5. Most powerful money reducing agent known to man

Common uses:
1. Highly ornamental, particularly in sports cars
2. Can be a great aid in relaxation
3. Very effective cleaning agent

Tests:
1. Pure specimens turn rosy pink in their natural state
2. Turns green when placed besides a better specimen

Potential hazards:
1. Highly dangerous except in experienced hands
2. Illegal to possess more than one, although several can be maintained at different locations provided specimens do not come into direct contact with one another

****WARNING*************WARNING*************WARNIN G****
PROLONGED EXPOSURE TO THIS ELEMENT CAN CAUSE SEVERE PHYSICAL, MENTAL, AND FINANCIAL DAMAGE

[Taz-in-Space]

Darn, the warning label must have fallen off mine! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Raging Deadstar]

Lol ur womens label fell of Taz? where do u keep it?, in the kitchen with other ingrediants? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Puke]

ingrediants? what, were you planning on baking a pie? You keep her in a jar between the baking soda and the thyme?

warning lables are all well and good, but that ingrediant business is just distrubed.

[Gryphin]

Noticing a lack of post here. Hmm, looks like we have new competion opening. That thread by Ruatha seems to be taking our place. 3 pages in 2 days. GrowlTigga better do something.

[Growltigga]

Why should I do something? I cannot always be on hand to save the world and single-handedly fight off ravening hordes etc...

Ruatha's thread seem quite humorous, good for him.

At least it is not that bloody redneck linedancing saloon tosh that surfaced a month or so back!

[Saxon]

All,

I will be out of town from Thursday night until Wednesday morning, so my turn is likely to be delayed. I posted something on the game forum thread, but I am not sure how frequently that gets checked. In addition, I threw in some comments about displaying the score and so forth.

Going back a fair way, I did want to throw in my two bits about communications in the game. I am of the mind that as long as we stay in character and do not talk to people for whom we do not have a comm channel for, it is ok. Talking to people for whom you do not have the comm channel is a big no no, as trading for comm channels can be valuable business.

Also, anyone who attacks the Fluffy Bunnie Species Empire will have table service cut off at the Cantina. The Fluffy Bunnies have power, so I expect to receive the appropriate levels of respect and groveling.

Great One Buffy, speaking through her avatar Saxon

[Growltigga]

Tesco, I do not seem tohave access to the game forum - when I click on the icon, I get a message saying access not allowed

What is going on?

Saxon, enjoy your time out of town - gang, I will be away for 2 weeks from 25/8 to 8/9. What happens to my turns then? (I dont want AI to play them, it has taken me a couple of turns to reverse what it did Last time)

[tesco samoa]

the turns will change to Last player upload ....for vacations....

And talk to the pbw admins.... (GEO) to see what's up with your access to the game forum....

[Growltigga]

great, so what you are saying is 'n'owt will happen whilst I am away - yippee'

I have sent a PM to GEO asking him togive me access to the forums

[Growltigga]

OOPS duplicate post but whilst I am hear, I might as well serenade the lot of you with my famous Neil Sedaka medley...

'Mooon River' dum de dum de dum etc

[ August 12, 2002, 15:49: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

[geoschmo]

[Useless techno info]The Forum software is a seperate little piece of software that runs on the PBW server. When a new PBW user clicks onto the forums for the first time it creates a forum user id identical to the PBW user id that it uses whilst in the forums. Each game has it's own forum and list of Users that have access to it. When you join the game your forum userid is added to that list for that game forum. Every once in a while an eager new user will join PBW and sign up for a game before ever clicking on any of the general PBW forums. Because of this the forums have no user id to assign to the game forum user list and they can't be given access. So we have to go in and manually add them to the list afterwards. You can also withdraw from the game and rejoin after you have visited the main PBW forums once and it will give you access to the game forum, but it's not that big deal for us admins to do it manually.[/Useless techno info]

Geoschmo

[Gryphin]

GrowlTigga, I'll play your turns for you.
&lt; Inocent Friendly Smile &gt;

[tesco samoa]

Tiggia I just noticed that you will be away for 2 weeks... That is a long time to put the game on hold.... You will miss a grand total of 4 turns...

I suggest that you que up your ai and let it go... or get a replacement player for those 2 weeks...

We can dicuss it in greater detail in the game forum...

[geoschmo]

Tigga, I could run things for you. I think an hourly rate plus expenses for legal types as well as galactic emporers is customary is it not? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Geo

[Growltigga]

Geo, you might well be on for that. I need someone sensible to pursue the aims of the Growltigga Federation (to get drunk, to get naked and to lie in a great big pile) so send me a PM with cost, efficiency, charge out rate and next of kin and I shall take you on

[Growltigga]

Atrocities, you get free beer in the cantina for a month for having to endure such a immature and frankly, stupid flame attack like ManoWar's. One day he may get out of diapers and realise that. 'ManofWar'?, more like 'Fullo****'.

I like your sets (hell the Growltigga Federation is using your STNG set).

Ah, I see a problem in the cantina, tribbles DONT have wings but Taz said he would cure the rat problem for us.... haven't seen many rats around, oh yes I have, there is one and he is in a wheelchair, are you sure those are rat, I mean, tribble wings

Taz??? where is that hairy oaf when you need to chastise him?

[Atrocities]

Score One for the GOOD GUYS. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

And if Tribbles don't have wings, does that mean Chickens do not have nuggets? *Considered what he just ate with a very odd look*

[ August 13, 2002, 16:12: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[Growltigga]

Atrocities, dead right but score about a dozen for the arseholes of the world...

that threat, actual or not, to close down your site is just pathetic, absolutely bloody pathetic and really gets my feline blood boiling..

Manofwar, if you ever read this site, you are barred from the cantina without reprieve.

Atrocities, chickens do have nuggets but only 2 per chicken unfortunately... do you hear tyhat high pitched clucking out there?

[tesco samoa]

....any ways.... back to topic here...

Tesco sends in Decker to grab the discarded weapon on the floor.....

And wishes to inform everyone that Water based tramlopileeness, tramlapiliens are bad... for 32 year old kids.... As my back is imforming me at this moment

[dogscoff]

....any ways.... back to topic here...
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">OMG, we have a topic? The CANTINA has a TOPIC?

*Dogscoff runs screaming from the Cantina, tearing his hair.

[geoschmo]

No, no D. Calm down. He meant, uh "TROPIC". Yeah that's it. He meant "Back to Tropic". Everybody knows the catina is located on a very warm tropical planet. Lot's of sun sand and skimpy clothed waitresses.

[Growltigga]

HERESY

Tesco, the cantina does NOT HAVE A TOPIC OTHER THAN CHILLING OUT AND CARTOON MAYHEM....

Growltigga orders FBW to sweep up Dogscoff's hair and listens with delight as Dogscoff meets the tyrannosaur Growltigga accidently left out in the carpark

[Atrocities]

My site was splashed once already because of hateful alligations from someone. Since that time, I have done everything I can to keep the site within Angle Fires guidelines. If he is successful in getting my site spashed a second time, I will not re-open it. It simply is too much work to go through again. *I am getting dizzy*

I have been up all night hoping that he would post again, and he has. I now know what I am up against, and quite frankly, I don't care. If this guy wants my arse so bad, then he can take his bites, and move on. Hopefully he'll get board and leave.

Thanks for the support guys. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

So if cows Nuggets are called Rocky Mountain Osters, then Chicken nuggets must be called Smoky Moutain Osters. *I think I'll go with the Rat wings.* http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ August 13, 2002, 16:57: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[dogscoff]

I know freebie sites like Anglefire can be paranoid about stuff like litigation, but I feel sure they would appreciate that it a case of hysterical sciffy versus sensible and law-abiding website owner.

If you do get closed down (you won't, but) couldn't you just open up another account with another freebie provider and re-upload the files? Surely you have them backed up? I mean it would be a pain to get everyone to update their links and to open a new account and everything, but it's not like building the whole site from new. Or is it?

Barkeep: Beer & Tyrannosaurburgers all round.

[Growltigga]

Atrocities, I consider it to be extremely unlikley that Angelfire will close you down.. you are making the appropriate statements as to whom the copyright belongs to so I cannot see that paramount would frankly waste time... also, Dogscoff is right when he says you should resurrect your site somewhere else, the rest of the public should have access to your excellent ship sets...

Growltigga, annoyed that his tyrannosaur fails to scoff El Scoffo, pulls out his trusty cricket bat, and dings Dogscoff round the bonce very very hard.....

[tesco samoa]

as posted

....any ways.... back to topic here...

Satire..... That is all it was....

[Atrocities]

If I have posted this before, please forgive me.

This was emailed to me a few weeks ago. I found it slightly discomforting as it seem a tad over the top. But then I realized that the author was trying to make a point. We should not judge people on face value for we really may not have a clue as to why they do the sometimes horrible things they do.


Arab Suicide????

Everyone seems to be wondering why the Arab terrorists are so quick to commit suicide? Let's see now:

No booze. No bars. No television. No Internet. No organized sports, stadiums, tailgate parties. (Actually, no tailgates.) No Hooters.

No meat from a pig. Sand everywhere and not a dune buggy insight. Ever try to fish at an oasis?

Rags for clothes and hats. Eating only with your right hand cause you wipe only with your left. (Like life isn't complicated enough already.)

Constant wailing from the guy next door because he is sick and no doctors. No music. No radio. You can't shave. You can't shower.

Bar-B-Q donkey cooked over burning camel dung. The women have to wear baggy dresses and veils at all times. Your bride is picked by someone else.

Oh, and then they tell you that when you die it all gets better! Who wouldn't go for it?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">

[ August 14, 2002, 02:19: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[Raging Deadstar]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif lol 1 day i don't read the forums and i got 2 pages of cantina Posts to read? hmmm *skims atrocities Posts* hmmm no wonder, no tv or drink, No SEIV!!!!! The horrors they go through, lol atrocities I learned first hand what that warning sheet on women meant a few days ago! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif post em more often so i don't forget

RD smiles before looking outside, trying hard not to focus on the t-rex. *Prods GT* Ummm isn't that a health inspector!! *panic ensures* taz better clean up. I don't think a dinosaur would eat health inspectors!

Also does anyone know of any Stargate sg1 shipstyles like the asguard (got a goa'uld one)?? I'm not really a sci-fi fan but i like sg1 for sum reason *bets he gets attacked for this*

[ August 13, 2002, 18:32: Message edited by: Raging Deadstar ]

[Puke]

puke picks up a trible and inspects it for wings. he then looks quizically at his plate of buffalo wings, and decides its better not to ask.

"bush, dick, and colin, huh? sounds like a sticky situation."

[Raging Deadstar]

It's never wise to question what foods made out of. Last time i did i discovered Chicken Nuggets are made out of Chicken feet and french fries are made out of Powdered potato.

*hopes that taz hasn't been cooking tribles or that health inspector maybe squeamish*

[Puke]

heh.. i just read an article Last week about a food processing facility in Asia being closed down because workers were using their teeth to bone chicken feet. that was just the fastest way to do it, like having a third hand.

mmmm... mc nuggets.

[dogscoff]

*Dogscoff walks into the Cantina. "What's that big smoldering heap in the corner?" On closer examination it turns out to be Atrocities, who has just been bLasted by the mighty Star Trek Canon Cannon. Dogscoff looks closer still and sees that Atrocities is chuckling quietly to himself, and that the horrific- looking burns are completely superficial. Dogscoff buys him a beer and a plate of Tribble wings before putting a William Shatner album on continuous loop on the jukebox...

[Atrocities]

Atrocities accepts this free beer and has a nice drink with DS. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I have been flamed so many times on so many forums that it just doesn't matter any more. MoW is like so many other Trek Uber Nerds that to fight with him about cannon or not is pointless. They are like one minded Borg Drones. Resistance is futile. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

"Thank you, I'll have another."

Those Triblit Wings are most tasty. However, Klingons seem to find them unappealing. I wonder why? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ August 13, 2002, 12:22: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[dogscoff]

*Dogscoff takes the Star Trek Canon Cannon and throws it down onto the floor, challenging anyone to pick it up.

"Come on, someone try to tell me that tribbles don't have wings. Come on, just try it..."

[Atrocities]

They also taste like Chicken. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[tesco samoa]

Hey AT imagine living at 3rd mile in Detroit. near i96... I am sure it is just as bad.

[CNCRaymond]

I was reading the news at http://msn.com.com/2100-1107-949331.html and came acrossed this story. My take on this is that it scares the hell out of me. Read it and see for your self. I especially love the part where they simply don’t care. Perhaps if we took away some of their rights, then maybe they would care.


WASHINGTON--There's a lot for a politically aware geek to be alarmed about nowadays.

Big companies are wielding copyright threats to stifle legitimate security research. Hollywood is itching to hack your PC. Your privacy is vanishing as fast as Al Gore's 2004 presidential hopes. And the merry band of technophobes in Congress is just getting started.

Too often, though, programmers, system administrators, and other IT pros become understandably outraged by the latest attempts to restrict technology--and react by doing precisely the wrong thing. They set up irate web sites, launch Online petition drives, and tell all their friends to write their congressional representatives.

Here's the bitter truth: These efforts are mostly a waste of time. Sure, they may make you feel better, but they're not the way to win.

Take the widely reviled Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). Even though Slashdotters have spent years buzzing around in circles over DMCA lawsuits brought by the Justice Department against Dmitry Sklyarov and the big movie studios against 2600 magazine, Congress simply doesn't care.

Rep. Howard Coble, R-N.C., chairman of the House Judiciary subcommittee on intellectual property, says the law is "performing the way we hoped." No bill has been introduced in Congress to rescind the DMCA for one simple reason: Official Washington loves the law precisely as much as hackers and programmers despise it. Some of Washington's most powerful insiders even gathered in May to toast the DMCA with raised glasses of champagne.
Things aren't getting better. The House of Representatives voted 385-3 Last month to approve life prison sentences for malicious computer hackers. The Senate approved the USA Patriot Act, which expanded police ability to perform Internet surveillance without a court order, by a 98-1 vote Last fall.

Trust me, a few--even a few thousand--peeved e-mail Messages won't change vote totals that lopsided. (Did you know the Senate approved the DMCA unanimously?) Washington's political class is used to ignoring frenzied yowls from far more organized and well-funded Groups than geektivists can hope to emulate anytime soon.
Instead, technologists should be doing what comes naturally: inventing technology that outpaces the law and could even make new laws irrelevant.

"They're much better off doing what they do best, writing code," says Sonia Arrison of the Pacific Research Institute, a free-market think tank in San Francisco. "That's where their competitive advantage lies."
Put another way, who made a bigger difference: Yet another letter-scribbling activist or Phil Zimmermann, who wrote the Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) encryption software? How about Sean Fanning, who created Napster? Or the veterans of the Internet Engineering Task Force, which oversees the fundamental protocols of the Internet?
It's true that such an approach isn't for everyone. Tech companies, of course, need to take a defensive stance. "There's a difference between geeks and the technology industry," Arrison says. "I wouldn't say it's wise for the technology industry to ignore government. But individual tech people are probably better off spending their energy writing code than being part of the political process."

Adam Back, an encryption researcher living in Canada, says that he tries to ignore day-to-day developments in the news. "What's the point?" Back asks. "You know whatever they are working on will be pretty much exclusively damaging to Net freedoms and personal liberty. New laws are almost exclusively damaging to personal freedoms these days."

"By participating in the lobby process, you're effectively giving money to the political system," Back says. "It's effectively a favor-trading system where the politician wins and the geek loses...You're better of spending time writing code and influencing Internet protocols to work towards making the politicians irrelevant in the future."
That's the motto of the Cypherpunks, a group of programmers-turned-activists who first met in Silicon Valley a decade ago and graced the second cover of Wired magazine. They recognized that technology is a more effective tool than the political process to stop governments from overreaching. (An example: Unlike Supreme Court justices who may change their views on privacy, the algorithms embedded in encryption software won't stop working because of political pressure.)
Lance Cottrell is a former Cypherpunk who founded Anonymizer.com, a San Diego company that announced an improved fee-based anonymous browsing service Last week.

"I'm of two minds," Cottrell says. "On one hand, I think it's important that the (technologist) perspective be aired. But I think that rather few geeks are temperamentally suited for lobbying. I think there's a cultural tendency toward bluntness and directness, which is not the bread and butter of politics."

Before starting his company, Cottrell wrote the free mixmaster software that allows Users to send e-mail anonymously." People can sit around saying, 'Is it a good idea to have anonymity or not?'" Cottrell said. "But if you actually implement it, you can say, 'How do you want to deal with this reality?' It's not that my writing the code created the reality. The possibility was always there. But my writing the code made it impossible to ignore."
Declan McCullagh is the Washington correspondent for CNET News.com, chronicling the ever-busier intersection between technology and politics. Before that, he worked for several years as Washington bureau chief for Wired News. He has also worked as a reporter for The Netly News, Time magazine and HotWired. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">When they passes these new laws, that will be the time that I log off the net for good. No reason to have the internet if it is a free ticket to snoop and spy on me. Hell I get that enough already from the god damned IRS. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

[ August 14, 2002, 02:48: Message edited by: CNCRaymond ]

[CNCRaymond]

I just finished reading most of the Posts in the Star Trek Races thread. I agree with him, Atrocities sets suck! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif J/k

Personally I like the work you have done. I love knowning that I can play as one of 2o or more Trek races and not be bothered with ugly ships that seem ugly. I hope you finish the Last ship set up and release it soon. The Nelix one. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

(Nelix the cat, he was a big fat cat)

Any ways on to bigger and better things. BARTENDER!!!! A pint of your worst if you please!

[Taz-in-Space]

Taz??? where is that hairy oaf when you need to chastise him? <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">...Now wait Boss, you never said NOT to serve ra...Ahh Tribble wings. And I did solve our rat problem. (all but the two leg variety!)
Besides I figgered that OUR customers would never know the difference!
So if COWS Nuggets are called Rocky Mountain Osters <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">See what I mean??

...well I better get back to work now...
BARTENDER!!!! A pint of your worst if you please!
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Here you go sir, an Iron City Coors Lite! (half Iron City - a Pittsburgh brew - and half Coors Lite!) We serve only the finest of the worst http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

hopes that taz hasn't been cooking tribles or that health inspector maybe squeamish <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ME harm a loveable real tribble? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif
NEVER!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[Ragnarok]

*Ragnarok walks into the cantina, looks around at the half drunk folks in the room and says, "Hey, bartender, give me a shot of something, make it strong, I've had a long day, I'll be in the corner booth when it's ready." Walks over to booth and looks at the feet on his table, grabs them and shoves them off, sits down and lays back, starts to doze off.*

[Taz-in-Space]

Hey, bartender, give me a shot of something, make it strong, I've had a long day, I'll be in the corner booth when it's ready. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">...Taz quickly prepares a shot of 151 Rum, adds a dash MORE alcohol, and gives it to a FBW to serve...

Strong enough? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Saxon]

Some things need to face the public light of truth and Tigga's false claims shall melt like a vampire in the dawn.

One can not read your racial specs as one has not yet met your flea infested race. However, what you list is clearly propaganda. Zero gravity breasts demonstrate chests so flat that gravity can find nothing to effect, leggy blondes indicate that your empire is so organics poor that it can not feed its people and latin love goddesses always turn into old Italian widows wearing black and needing a shave. You may trust that the Fluffy Bunnie Empire will ensure that you have a nation of war widows.

-----Original Message-----
From: Growltigga
Subject: RE: [SEIV PBW] News for game: The Galactic Bash

in your dreams, read the racial specs for the Growltigga Alliance, our woman
are latin lovegoddesses or leggy blondes with zero gravity breasts

there is nothing a hairy candian moose kissing person like you can teach us
about top totty

[Growltigga]

Taz, oh Taz, I have just been into the kitchen and we now we seem to have a cockroach problem. Please solve it

Guys, I should not touch the Thai spiced crunchy coated satay prawn canapes if I were you from now on.

Guys, dont worry about the health inspector, the T-Rex may be off his stride after he was assaulted by Scoffo, but I am happy to say that my latest elite squad of killer mongoose are trained, raring to go and have only been fed 1 yoghurt each per day...

M Inspecteur de Santé, au revoir mon ami, un endroit agréable vous attend

[ August 14, 2002, 10:44: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

[Growltigga]

Originally posted by Saxon:
Zero gravity breasts demonstrate chests so flat that gravity can find nothing to effect, leggy blondes indicate that your empire is so organics poor that it can not feed its people and latin love goddesses always turn into old Italian widows wearing black and needing a shave.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">There speaketh a man desparetely in need of female company.

Saxon, in case you have forgotten,ZGB are those large ones that seem to stand up pertly on their own with no visible support, "leggy" as in having rather nice long legs and "latin" refers in the modern parlance to more south american than italian.. no wonder you are a sad lonely old man resorting to abusing animals if this is your understanding of the female form

[Saxon]

Some of the cartoon attacks around here have crept onto my computer and SEIV refused to run Last night. This has made all my concerns about getting the new patch moot, I have to get it and the new one, as I will be re-installing the game on another computer. A big thank you to Dogscoff for teaching me about multi-disk scanning, which will let me get around my eveil IT man. As a thank you to Dogscof, I will be sending a nude photo of my favorite moose to Tigga.

[Growltigga]

Saxon, that is so sad, I will just send you a picture of a beautiful lady

[dogscoff]

*Commotion from outside draws all the Cantina customers to the windows. Dogscoff is out in the parking area with a huge crowd of women around him. He appears to be selling something from the back of a frigate...

"Come on ladies, step right up, experience the wonders of a brand new technology; try the zero-gravity miracle push-up bra. Sagging and drooping are now a thing of the past, as your breasts float around in a massless state induced by a localised zero-G field. not only will you remain perpetually pert, but with one of these on you can run around as much as you like without folding your arms in front of your chest. Come one, no pushing at the back now..."

The ladies swarm around the vehicle, and the Cantina residents are treated to the spectacle of hundreds of women trying on the new miracle-garment, which causes the wearer's bust to float around randomly within the bra like bubbles in a lava lamp, creating a sort of undulating cleavage effect. Growltigga stares mesmerised, and Gryphin discretely produces a camcorder from his clothing. Saxon practically falls off of his chair.

Once his stocks have been entirely depleted, Dogscoff closes up his frigate and nips to the bacnk to deposit his earnings, then returns with enough cash to treat everyone to "Hairy bean."

*note: For those who aren't familiar with off-world cocktail recipes, the "hairy bean" is an exotic derivative of the "jelly bean". Recipes below:

Jelly Bean
==========
2 measures pernod
2 measures gin
1 measure blackcurrant cordial
stir, top up with lemonade.

Hairy Bean
==========
2 measures pernod
2 measures gin
Juice of one shaved, squeezed tribble.
stir, top up with lemonade. Garnish with tribble fur.

[Growltigga]

Hmmm, smart business opportunity Dogscoff my man.. maybe I should invite you back to the board of Tigg-a PLC? (of course we can agree to change the name back to Tigg-Scoff PLC).

'Hairy Bean' sounds like some horrible thing that would happen to you at the Pride Festival on Clapham Common. I think I will stick to pickled eggs and stout.

[Saxon]

Just so you all know, Tigga is as good as his word, I already have the photo of a lovely lady. My only complaint is that I followed Mac’s example and tried to zoom in, in the name of scientific research. All I got was a collection of little squares and not at all the big round things the first picture suggested…

Now that Dogscoff has his start up capital, I was wondering if he was going to be going into competition with Viagra. Zero gee undergarments for dysfunctional men?

[dogscoff]

Hmmm, smart business opportunity Dogscoff my man.. maybe I should invite you back to the board of Tigg-a PLC? (of course we can agree to change the name back to Tigg-Scoff PLC).
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I mght be interested, but I want a promotion to Head of Interstellar Innovations (with appropriate pay rise), a seat of the Board of Directors, a company battlecruiser with aircon, electric windows and a wave motion gun, and a decent pension scheme.

I also want it written into my contract that the company has to give me three months' notice before terminating, executing, exsanguinating, decapitating, incinerating, defenestrating and/or disintegrating me and/ or banishing me to the bottom of the ocean, the depths of space, any desert or polar ice cap, Swindon, any parallel universe(s), alternate religious / ethereal plane(s) of existence and/or any other dimension or dimensions whatsoever (Alternate dimensions excluded in the event that company business compels me to use powerful recreational hallucinogens).

Furthermore, I want my plush top-floor office back, a guaranteed parking spot outside the Cantina and a pair of ex-FBWs as personal secretaries- both of whom must have been thoroughly trained at both secretarial college and Madame Ooloo's. I also want all junior executives to be compelled to address me as "Your Excellency" and an allowance to pay my personal bodyguard (Dermott, a 200 metre long genetically modified squid. It costs a fortune to keep him in whale meat.)

Given the state of your own company package, it seems to me like a reasonable proposal. Do we have a deal?

[ August 14, 2002, 11:43: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

[Growltigga]

I want a promotion to Head of Interstellar Innovations (with appropriate pay rise), a seat of the Board of Directors, a company battlecruiser with aircon, electric windows and a wave motion gun, and a decent pension scheme.

We can promote you to "Vice President in Charge of Life Recreational Sciences - Narcotics and 'Play' Aids Division". The pay is reasonable but the perks are excellent. The job does carry a board seat (but no voting control), the corporate battlecruiser comes as standard (as does the nitro-kit and heavy weaponry). The pension scheme is non-contributary.

I also want it written into my contract that the company has to give me three months' notice before terminating, executing, exsanguinating, decapitating, incinerating, defenestrating and/or disintegrating me and/ or banishing me to the bottom of the ocean, the depths of space, any desert or polar ice cap, Swindon, any parallel universe(s), alternate religious / ethereal plane(s) of existence and/or any other dimension or dimensions whatsoever (Alternate dimensions excluded in the event that company business compels me to use powerful recreational hallucinogens).

This is a tough one. Standard company terms are 1 minutes notice before terminating, executing, exsanguinating, decapitating, incinerating, defenestrating and/or disintegrating and/ or banishment to the bottom of the ocean, the depths of space, any desert or polar ice cap, Swindon, any parallel universe(s), alternate religious / ethereal plane(s) of existence and/or any other dimension or dimensions whatsoever. Sequestration can have a 3 month notice period which I am happy to give you. I shall also give you 3 months' notice of having your happy sacks waxed or being required to undergo rectal examinations or being banished to Portsmouth. Acceptable?

Furthermore, I want my plush top-floor office back, a guaranteed parking spot outside the Cantina and a pair of ex-FBWs as personal secretaries- both of whom must have been thoroughly trained at both secretarial college and Madame Ooloo's.

Fine on the office (mine is much bigger), the parking spot is also not a problem (just ask the T-Rex to move) and a pair of FBW trained as you describe are standard for middle management.

I also want all junior executives to be compelled to address me as "Your Excellency" and an allowance to pay my personal bodyguard (Dermott, a 200 metre long genetically modified squid.

Apologies, but only I am addressed as "Your excellency" or "Your magnificance" by junior execs, you will have to be addressed as 'my lord" or "effendi".

Dermot I am afraid is a no go, I have already developed plans to use him to make a quick windfall in supplying the calamari and chips market in Greece.

[ August 14, 2002, 11:57: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

[Growltigga]

Acceptable, if we can merge the "Narcotics and 'Play' Aids" Division with the "Persuasion and behaviour modification facilities" division

Hmmm, the current economic climate and fiscal restructuring of Tigg-A PLC makes the board loath to merge operating divisions at this time. If you wish to head a department, we have a vacancy as 'President in Charge of Genetics, Recreational Drugs, Fetishware and Rubber Goods" Division.. If I throw in an additional bonus, is that good enough for you?

I confirm that you are specifically Banned from going to Swindon. I am happy to throw in Leicester as well if that cheers you up.

*Middle* management? I won't settle for less than *Senior* management.

I am afraid there is only one senior manager at Tigg-A PLC - ME. You can be senior grade middle management if you want

Could it at least be arranged that lesser employees must cower in fear and soil themselves in the presence of Senior Management?

They do already but I shall send a memo round the company requiring cowering at the sight of you if you require

Very well, but I will require an allowance to pay an awe- inspiring personal bodyguard of some kind - one who is completely independent of the company

I am afraid this too is a no-go. Tigg-A PLC is a friendly working environment and accordingly, there is no need to bodyguards.

[dogscoff]

Hmmm, the current economic climate and fiscal restructuring of Tigg-A PLC makes the board loath to merge operating divisions at this time. If you wish to head a department, we have a vacancy as 'President in Charge of Genetics, Recreational Drugs, Fetishware and Rubber Goods" Division.. If I throw in an additional bonus, is that good enough for you?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually, I think I prefer the first offer. The wage isn't a major issue, having ammassed untold wealth from my exploitation of the oceans. It's the perks I'm interested in=-)


I confirm that you are specifically Banned from going to Swindon. I am happy to throw in Leicester as well if that cheers you up.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Good.


I am afraid there is only one senior manager at Tigg-A PLC - ME. You can be senior grade middle management if you want
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Very well, I will be senior grade middle management, but is there any chance that everyone else of that ranking is bumped down to junior grade middle management?


They do already but I shall send a memo round the company requiring cowering at the sight of you if you require
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Good. Oh, and I forgot to mention that my ex-FBW personal secretaries may cower a little if they wish, but are excused from some of the more extreme bodily expressions of awe.


I am afraid this too is a no-go. Tigg-A PLC is a friendly working environment and accordingly, there is no need to bodyguards.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Okay, no personal bodyguards. By the way, this lovely 8-foot tall lady with the horned helmet, titanium battle-corset and evaporator cannon is Doris the Immasculator. She is my personal fitness advisor and wellbeing enforcement assistant. I have to stay in shape, you know. I'm sure a friendly and progressive company like this one would approve of any such initiative which helps to ensure the continued good health and productivity of it's valued employees.

[Growltigga]

Actually, I think I prefer the first offer. The wage isn't a major issue, having ammassed untold wealth from my exploitation of the oceans. It's the perks I'm interested in=-)

The previous job is yours, and if it helps, you are also Banned from going to Llandudno and Basingstoke

Very well, I will be senior grade middle management, but is there any chance that everyone else of that ranking is bumped down to junior grade middle management?

No problem, in fact even better, I have justed order all existing middle management to be fed to the mongoose

Good. Oh, and I forgot to mention that my ex-FBW personal secretaries may cower a little if they wish, but are excused from some of the more extreme bodily expressions of awe.

Well, if you wish, I had instructed the existing FBW assigned to you to drop to their knees whenever you entered the room

Okay, no personal bodyguards. By the way, this lovely 8-foot tall lady with the horned helmet, titanium battle-corset and evaporator cannon is Doris the Immasculator.

Fitness consultants are not a porblem, but they must wear the mandaotry Tigg-A PLC explosive dog-collar just in case we need to make them redundant.

[dogscoff]

The previous job is yours,
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Deal. It's good to be back.


Fitness consultants are not a porblem, but they must wear the mandaotry Tigg-A PLC explosive dog-collar just in case we need to make them redundant.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'll let you bring her up to speed with that small formality. If during the course of that conversation she produces industrial boltcroppers from her cleavage, you are advised to cross your legs.

[Growltigga]

Deal. It's good to be back.

Yes, I agree, it is good to have a minion again

I'll let you bring her up to speed with that small formality. If during the course of that conversation she produces industrial boltcroppers from her cleavage, you are advised to cross your legs. [/QB]

yoiks, I like it rough

[Raging Deadstar]

LOL! I hope when i finish education all companies are like this. Hmmm dogscoff? your after perks? think about it. Genetics, Recreational Drugs, Fetishware and Rubber Goods.... You could get gorgeous girls wear skimpy fetish rubber clothing and they must model it for you at your wim! Thats a perk! Hmm also have you asked tigga if you'll get the blame for anything bad Tigg-A PLC or Tigg-Scoff PLC (which one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif )do??? I mean its usually the senior manager that goes Last, and what happens to poor ol' dogscoff when Tigga jnr joins the board? better get that contract rewritten.....

Hmmm maybe you guys wud be interested in buying construction rights to the "silicon detection magnet" i have created, for those men who like their women with "enhanced assets" I'm sure that you could find a use for it...

*please not that any large breasted male gorillas/tazmanian devils (not the bartender)/americans attracted by this device are not covered by Deadstar Corporation so i suggest you run very very very fast!*

[ August 14, 2002, 18:46: Message edited by: Raging Deadstar ]

[dogscoff]

We can promote you to "Vice President in Charge of Life Recreational Sciences - Narcotics and 'Play' Aids Division". The pay is reasonable but the perks are excellent. The job does carry a board seat (but no voting control), the corporate battlecruiser comes as standard (as does the nitro-kit and heavy weaponry). The pension scheme is non-contributary.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Acceptable, if we can merge the "Narcotics and 'Play' Aids" Division with the "Persuasion and behaviour modification facilities" division (I'm sure there are overlaps already) and put me in charge. See my comments later about the Junior Execs.


This is a tough one. Standard company terms are 1 minutes notice before terminating, executing, exsanguinating, decapitating, incinerating, defenestrating and/or disintegrating and/ or banishment to the bottom of the ocean, the depths of space, any desert or polar ice cap, Swindon, any parallel universe(s), alternate religious / ethereal plane(s) of existence and/or any other dimension or dimensions whatsoever. Sequestration can have a 3 month notice period which I am happy to give you. I shall also give you 3 months' notice of having your happy sacks waxed or being required to undergo rectal examinations or being banished to Portsmouth. Acceptable?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm willing to risk termination, execution, exsanguination, decapitation, incineration, defenestration and/or disintegration and/ or banishment to Portsmouth, the bottom of the ocean, the depths of space, any desert or polar ice cap, any parallel universe(s), alternate religious / ethereal plane(s) of existence and/or any other dimension or dimensions whatsoever, having my happy sacks waxed and/ or being required to undergo rectal examinations, as long as you can *promise* me I won't have to go to Swindon. Ever.


Fine on the office (mine is much bigger), the parking spot is also not a problem (just ask the T-Rex to move) and a pair of FBW trained as you describe are standard for middle management.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">*Middle* management? I won't settle for less than *Senior* management. See my comments on the next paragraph.


Apologies, but only I am addressed as "Your excellency" or "Your magnificance" by junior execs, you will have to be addressed as 'my lord" or "effendi".
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Could it at least be arranged that lesser employees must cower in fear and soil themselves in the presence of Senior Management? Having Dermott stood behind me used to have that effect, but it appears that's no longer viable. Perhaps some kind of company- wide behaviour programming scheme could be put into place. This could be one of my first projects once I'm the head of the merged " Life Recreational and Persuasional Sciences - Narcotics, Behaviour Modification and 'Play' Aids Division".


Dermot I am afraid is a no go, I have already developed plans to use him to make a quick windfall in supplying the calamari and chips market in Greece
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Very well, but I will require an allowance to pay an awe- inspiring personal bodyguard of some kind - one who is completely independent of the company, especially given the lack of flexibility in the termination clause.
Maybe I'll put up a few adverts in the Bifrost Lodge, you get some pretty impressive Valkyries hanging out there, and they have perks of their own...

[capnq]

&lt; capnq peruses the recent discussion &gt;

&lt; pauses &gt;

&lt; ponders course of action &gt;

&lt; thinks "Why not?" &gt;

&lt; tosses an archive link (http://www.sequentialtart.com/archive/june02/bb_0402.shtml) on the bar &gt;

&lt; leaves very quickly &gt;

[Gryphin]

Hmm, looks like I'm on the outs, sigh, must be the meds and my newly found lack of humor.
"'Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill" and even more amazed that it was run by a large Tiger and a short sighted Gryphon.. "

:: Walks over to the bar, get a cold Corsendonk, Salutes the room, and goes into the shadows ::

[mac5732]

See what happens when your on vacation, I havn't been around and WHAM, discussion on Cleavage and bouncing, jiggling, gyrating beach bunnies, and I missed it..... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif not fair, not fair,......
Research is always needed especially in these areas,

Atrocities, I just read the garbage displayed in another thread on your shipsets, Tell him to ......, I agree with the rest, Don't pay him no mind, it was most unfortunate that he lowered himself to a cosmic dust mite, they blow with the wind.... just keep on plugging away, everyone enjoys what you've done,,,, Have another drink on my tab... in fact how about a steak brought over by the head FBW... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif that should perk anyone up.....

Dogscoff, before you accept a post, be careful, be very careful, remember the Last time you were employed by a Furry Feline.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Now Back to the Cleavage Discussion....... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

a still relaxing vacationing Mac

[Atrocities]

DO NOT EAT THE TRIBBLET WINGS!

I have spent the Last day wishing that I had not eaten them. Bartender! A beer and step on it!

[Growltigga]

There is nothing wrong with the house cuisine - the health inspector himself said that (well I think he said that but it is hard to tell as he was being scoffed by a T-Rex at the time, but I am sure he meant to say that).

The honey and chipotle glazed tribble wings with essence of rodentia are a house speciality, and one I understand to be particularily craved around Hobart (that is the capital of Tasmania for you Americans and other global virgins)

Atrocities, I think it is the stress of matching wits with idiots which has exhausted you, here have a beer on the house and Taz, pass Atrocites some of those lovely thai roasted sesame coated crunchy nut thingies you were preparing in the kitchen

[geoschmo]

Geoschmo wonders why Atrocities won't eat rat wings, and yet he doesn't mind Taz putting his feet in his beer...

[Growltigga]

GROAN - $50 to the first person to shoot Geo, infact, I'll pay $50 for a flesh wound, $100 if I can see some arterial bloodspray

[geoschmo]

Waaa? Why are you wanting to shoot me Gt? What did I do?

[tesco samoa]

http://www.latimes.com/la-oe-turley14aug14.story

[Growltigga]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Waaa? Why are you wanting to shoot me Gt? What did I do?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">mumbling as his mouth is around 4 shotgun 'flechette' cartridges, Growltigga says to Geo "cos you cracked that bloody awful joke about Atrocities not minding Taz putting his feet in the beer after the step on it remark', ka-chung, first round is loaded.

KAABLLLLOOOOOOOOIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Hmmm, we may not have chicken wings in the cantina but does anyone fancy Kentucky Fried Moderator? only $0.99 for your choice of side dishes?

ka-chung, second round is loaded......

you want them well done? hang on

KAAAAAABBBLLLLLOOOOOOIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

ka-chung, third round is loaded.......

hold it Taz, the Kentucky Freid Moderator Wings are still moving

KAAAAABBLLLLOOOOOOOIIIIEEEEEEEEEE

ka-chung, fourth round is loaded

Oh, you want it tenderised

KKAAABBBBBBLLLOOOOOIIIEEEEEEEEEEEE

[ August 15, 2002, 14:13: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

[dogscoff]

Tesco - that is some scary shiznit. The scariest thing is that most people just don't see how wrong it is...

[Trajan]

Gentlemen,

I agree with Dog, that this is scary -- if indeed it is completely true. Recognizing the fallacy of modern media outlets, I do not think that the story is precisely accurate. I do not, however, have any reason to believe that Ashcroft and his Department plan to create anything less than a police state.

Part of me -- the still icky about september 11th portion -- would like to see suspects removed from society if it meant a comensurate increase in saftey.

The MUCH more rational part of my brain is screaming at the growing police-state and abridgement of basic constitutional liberties.

This is a tough brain vs. heart argument. Nobody likes to be threatened, unless you are a regular in the cantina and are unprepared for the usual high-jinks that make up daily life here.

&lt;Trajan walks back to the bar, orders a cool Bass Ale from the indomitable Taz, finds a comforatble bar stool and relaxes while watching the jiggly FBW's&gt;

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
Trajan

[geoschmo]

Yes, I suspect that this "camp" thing is at it's root an intellectual exercise. Much as people on the other end of the political spectrum from Ashcroft et al would speculate about how communism would be the ideal social situation if not for the tendency towards totaliarianism, or that free universal health care for all is a noble cause worth fighting for. Hopefully the checks and balances inherant in the system, of which the press is an very important one, would over time keep these excesses on either end from becoming accepted. The mere fact that Ashcroft would contemplate whether of not such things would be good to do does not invalidate him for office as the author of the article suggests. Contemplating something and doing it are two very different things.

Geo

[Trajan]

Geo makes a good point here...

They (Ashcroft and friends) may be speaking out of a desire to show strength by spouting off possible solutions to the many many problems they face. These solutions may only be theorhetical and not practible. Somewhere between a cold police-state and a free-love mobocracy is our democracy.

Cheers!
Trajan

[tesco samoa]

I am sorry here are two more links ...

http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html

http://www.law.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/View&c=LawArticle&cid=1028906396630&live=true&cst=1&pc=0&pa=0

These are a little different .... but a very interesting topic... worthy of a thread itself or dicussed out on the patio... or while sitting on the wood..

[tesco samoa]

OK Bash GAME...

Are we ready to upgrade to 1.78 Let me know... saxon....IF so the next turn will be 1.78...

[Gryphin]

Bash Game Upgrade?
I'm Ready and Willing
I'm just not able.
I can't find my Gold CD
I thnk it dissapeared about the time my sweetheart moved in.

[Growltigga]

Mac, we specifically wait until you are absent from the Cantina AND then talk about bouncer and woobly dangly bits. It is to stop you having a cardiac you know, we are thinking of your health and well being.

Gryph, what on earth is up with you old boy? you dont seem shipshape and bristol fashion at all?

[Gryphin]

Tigga,
What is up with me. That is a very good question. On one hand I feel great! On the other
hand, I just dont have the impulsesive nature anymore.
I have become very careful and very practical.
When we meet in the Galactic Bash, I will still run my Torps up your nacelles.

[Growltigga]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
I will still run my Torps up your nacelles.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh, it is YOU putting up THOSE cards advertising THOSE services in the phone boxes then..

Sorry to hear that you are not firing on all cylinders me old muckerjee, perhaps you need a holiday or a new job or summat else. I was feeling very much the same and then went to Japan for the world cup, that has given me a new lease of life (as well as a huge overdraft) and the prospect of kittens is also making me feel quite bucked up (note: a few letters in the alphabet away from how I normally feel)

[Gryphin]

Yes, "Have Torps, Will Travel"

(Um, and just for the record, there is no metaphore intended) I do not "bat off the other wickket", or what ever the expression is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I'll live. I do find I can now spend hours analyzing the numbers in SE IV. I can now handle much larger empires.

[dogscoff]

Gryph - why do you need your Gold CD to patch your game? Just download the patch and run it.

[Fyron]

Dogscoff, the patches are funny. Sometimes, they think that the se4 executable isn't what it is supposed to be, and you can't patch it. So, you have to reinstall se4.

[dogscoff]

Re: Patching problems.
Wierd. I have to admit I've never seen that. Could it be something to do with having Gold and Classic installed on the same machine?

*Dogscoff pulls up outside the Cantina in his new company battle cruiser, Wave Motion Guns still smoking from a fly-past of Swindon. He flips a coin to the tyrannosaurus, who is now employed as a parking valet. Dogscoff silently questions the wisdom of giving such a job to a creature with a brain the size of a chocolate-coated peanut and teeth longer than its arms, but decides to let it go- He's in a good mood.

He struts in with his personal assistants, his wellbeing enforcement advisor and an odd craving for Greek food, all the while desperately hoping someone will notice his new suit: Following the new pimp-chic trend pioneered by Tesco Samoa's avatar, Dogscoff is wearing a highly expensive crushed velvet suit in deep purple, with matching fedora and an ankle-length baby ewok-fur overcoat, all accessorised with a silver-handled pimping cane. It's hungry work quality testing the Tigg-Scoff plc's Narcotics and 'Play' Aids Division, and his personal assistants in particular are looking exhausted from the morning's business.

One of the assistants orders him a stein and a gyros (with an extra portion of that that mint yoghurt stuff, "to take back to the office", the assistant suggests with a smile) and Doris opts for the calimari. Poor Dermott.

[ August 16, 2002, 11:03: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

[Gryphin]

I probalby do have both installed. I'll see. I may have to order a new copy and put it ih a Swilss vault or something.

[dogscoff]

Where's 'Tigga today? I thought his holiday wan't 'til next week..?

[CNCRaymond]

This is a good question. I came acrossed it while reading New Posts. It stunned me. I had never before wondered where my money was going, and now, I can't help but wonder. Please read.

I was wondering if perhaps you could tell me something. Recently my house payment was increased in order to keep pace with my Escrow Account needs. Evidently my Property Tax increased, thus the need for more money in my Escrow account increased. My question is a simple one, and one that no mortgage company will answer, or at least the ones that I have called.

Who keeps the interest earned off of these Escrow Accounts? You have literally millions of Escrow Accounts with anywhere from $1,000 to $10,000 dollars in them, all earning interest. The money in these Escrow accounts belongs to the people who put it there, however, the Bank appear to be keeping this money for them selves.

Would it not be an interesting story to find out where this money is going? I mean I could surely use the interest off of my Escrow Account to pay down my principle on my mortgage.

In some cases these mortgage companies will "over estimate" your Escrow Account needs, and draw in extra cash for a very long period of time. Then eventually they will send you letter telling you that you over paid, and a refund of X amount is being sent back to you. Where did the interest on the X amount go? I mean if your late making a house payment, they charge you X amount in late fees to cover X amount in interest, so why not pay you X amount in interest on the money they held? Simple answer: They want to keep the money for themselves. Its free money to them, and they love free money. However, it really is not free for us because we are the ones paying it.

Where does the interest money on my Escrow Account go?

Thank you for your time.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Where does the interest, if accumulated, go?

[Trajan]

Gentlemen
This is a very good question indeed.
Recently my house payment was increased in order to keep pace with my Escrow Account needs. Evidently my Property Tax increased, thus the need for more money in my Escrow account increased....

...Who keeps the interest earned off of these Escrow Accounts? <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My house payment also went up to account for the increase in my Property Tax. I imagine that the bank keeps the interest on the account as a fee for managing the account. Although I could be wrong. It may be that the account's interest is rolled back in. I will have to ask my wife if she knows, since she keeps a closer watch on that particular account.

Cheers!
Trajan

[ August 16, 2002, 15:17: Message edited by: Trajan ]

[Atrocities]

Indeed a great question. Thanks for posting it.

My property value went down, thanks to a new Express way that just opened near me, but my House value sky rocketed.

I too must make a call.

And if they do keep the money as a fee for managing the account, then why do they not disclose this? Hell I would rather pay my own taxes then rely upon an increasing escrow account bill.

[Growltigga]

Originally posted by dogscoff:
Where's 'Tigga today? I thought his holiday wan't 'til next week..?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am around just hungover and horrible nauseous...

Dogscoff - gyros is such an americanism, I though you were a Brit

by the way, the mint yoghurt stuff is called tzatziki, and is not to be confused with datziki (goat) or cadziki (iron prong)

what's is with the gear by the way, you look like a tart's boudoir? you should realise that Tigg-A PLC senior middle management show only be seen in snazzy blue or gray pinstripes AND NO CRUSHED VELVET YOU PONCE

[ August 16, 2002, 15:11: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

[Trajan]

Gentlemen,

The wife answered the question about the intrest on the escrow account. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

From Mrs. Trajan
Sure - the bank keeps the interest. Taxes are paid through your mortgage in most places, which means the bank is taking on an added liability on your behalf. So, with your mortgage payment each month, the bank also collects a portion of your taxes which is then paid quarterly or half yearly depending on where you live. I don't know of any bank that will allow you to pay them one lump sum when the payment is due, because essentially they own the property and must pay the taxes whether you pay them or not. if you default on your mortgage, they can take your house, but even if they turn around a sell it, they can't make up for the back taxes you owe. If your bank is taking too much $$ each month and you wind up with a surplus once your taxes are paid, you are entitled to a quick refund (there is a set time frame for it) and the bank is required to reassess the payment if you request it.

Re: the interest on the money. I don't think the bank sees this as a big revenue source. They have to do a lot of work with each local tax authority to get the tax info in advance to make sure they are charging the right amount. I think the minuscule amount they can get for interest on your $500 or whatever it is doesn't really pay for the time they have to invest.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Cheers!
Trajan

[ August 16, 2002, 15:16: Message edited by: Trajan ]

[dogscoff]

Dogscoff - gyros is such an americanism, I though you were a Brit
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nothing American about that, unless the americans have taken the term from the greeks. I've seen it used in Greece, anyway. Obviously I can't type it in "real" greek because I don't have greek alphabet keyboard (and wouldn't know how to anyway=-)...


what's is with the gear by the way, you look like a tart's boudoir? you should realise that Tigg-A PLC senior middle management show only be seen in snazzy blue or gray pinstripes AND NO CRUSHED VELVET YOU PONCE
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey, it's my lunch break, and this is Cantina fashion at the moment. Ask Tesco=-) Anyway, I get changed back into my "work" suit when I go back to the office, although I have to say I hadn't anticipated just how many changes of clothing I (and my personal assistants) would be making in the Narcotics and 'Play' Aids Division. For example I've got a meeting later with Shiela from the the Lingerie and Psychological Warfare Development Unit, and after that the ideas team is giving a presentation about edible body prosthetics or something. Apparently I'm going to need full surgery scrubs, a raincoat and a chef's hat.

It's not all pinstripes and PDAs in *my* division, I can tell you.

[Growltigga]

Nothing American about that, unless the americans have taken the term from the greeks.

It is not a Greek term, it is Turkish. What you are referring to as a "gyros" is what a Greek calls a "souvlakia" - so you may have seen it on holiday but only in a horrible touristy resort

Tha su hoso souvlaki me achinos vathia ston kolo su

and as for clothing, you can look like a refugee from Starsky & Hutch if you like, me? I will stick to handmade tailored pinstripe suits. makes the girls go gooey and be putty in my hands... and believe me, I like 'em gooey and puttylike

[Atrocities]

Re: the interest on the money. I don't think the bank sees this as a big revenue source. They have to do a lot of work with each local tax authority to get the tax info in advance to make sure they are charging the right amount. I think the minuscule amount they can get for interest on your $500 or whatever it is doesn't really pay for the time they have to invest.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">But if you add up all the escrow accounts that a bank has..... now thats big money. Very big money.

[dogscoff]

only in a horrible touristy resort
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">A very nice touristy resort, actually: Crete, Last year. Crete is an amazing place. I've been to quite a few Greek (& Turkish) destinations and so far (for me) Crete has been the best by far. Fantastic scenery, food, drink & culture which are disctinctly different from the rest of the country. Thoroughly recommended to anyone who wants a nice relaxing week or two away.

[Growltigga]

actually Crete, Last year. Crete is an amazing place.

I have been to Crete and agree that it is a spiffing place.

My favourite Greek island is Patmos, in the Dodecanese and in between Kos and Samos. It is small and you cannot fly there direct so crowds of tourists, yobbos and sharons from Luton in boob-tubes are not what you get there. Very stylish, very civilised and the best smyrna meatballs this side of well, smyrna I suppose.

It is nice because it is on the marina circuit so yuo only tend to get the richer class of totty there..grrrrrrr

Deep profund sigh for Patmos.. I want to go back there but am going to Borneo instead... sigh

YOu havn't answered whether you are all Brit or a hand shank yank yet

[ August 16, 2002, 16:20: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

[dogscoff]

YOu havn't answered whether you are all Brit or a hand shank yank yet
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I won't even dignify that question with a response.

EDIT: Oops... just did. What I should have said was "I won't even dignify that question with an answer." Or in fact, I could have just editted the the original response to say that, then deleted all this. In fact I still could.

*Dogscoff falls over in the middle of the cantina and promptly falls asleep, dreaming of feta cheese...

[ August 16, 2002, 16:24: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

[dogscoff]

Okay, here's a troublemaking link...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/26612.html
I'm just gonna post this and run. I don't entirely agree with this guy, but there are some interesting points made.

[Growltigga]

Dogscoff, you are weird but anyone who likes greek cuisine is fine by me.

Hmmm, I could really murder a large flame grilled chicken quarter, those nice greek potatoes fried in olive oil, some horta, some okra and those stuffed aubergines, some tzatziki (great with lime juice BTW), a greek salad with a big slab of feta on top, kalamata olives, that great yellow bread they do and a large bottle of Amstel closely followed by a larger bottle of Kourtaki retsina, all whilst being serenaded by the genlte tones of bazouki music whilst watching the waves roll up the beach and lithe young females wondering..

Ill stop there

[ August 16, 2002, 17:05: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

[mac5732]

Mac walks into the cantina, appearing to have lost more of his hair do to frustrating experience with his old nemisis (The Essance of the Metal Contraption), He has just tried to take his turn in the Bash, and he gets data not the same when game lst set up, is this due to his upgrading to 1.78????, As he orders a double strong Sassperella from Taz at the Bar, he contemplates the progress of science within the bounderies of the common illiterate computer gamer. Since his mood is foul as a Ghost caught in a hyper-dimensional caboob, he looks around to see if some local mayhem would be in order, He eyes the cream pie dispenser with hungrey, beedy, little focused eyes, beginns to walk over, trips, falls against the dispenser, which in turn, jiggles the opening mechanism, and proceeds to unload the entire contents onto poor Mac as he struggles under the feet of the over sized mechanical monster. THE ESSANCE HAS STRUCK AGAIN....

ok, group, do I have to wait for 1.78 upgrade before I can take the next turn??

just some ideas mac

[ManOfWar]

Why am I Banned from this thread?

[Growltigga]

Because we are quite a close and friendly group who post on this thread and I think it is fair to say we all like each other and have regard for each other's opinions and values.

I am afraid that your actions on the other thread have shown that you are not a person that I, and I believe many people of this thread, would choose to associate with. I certainly am not interested in your opinions or your values.

Is that clear enough or would you like me to start flaming.

[ August 16, 2002, 17:39: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

[Trajan]

&lt;Trajan fires up his flame thrower and ask's Taz if the BBQ pit is ready for some fresh meat.&gt;

[ManOfWar]

Your honest, and I respect that. So I made a mistake. I have apologized for it. So whats the fire pit for?

[dogscoff]

Ah, let him in 'Tig, I think he'll behave himself.

MoW, I don't know if you follow this thread, but you have to be prepared to take the following in good humour:

-Violent, cartoon-style physical assaults upon your Online persona.
-Endless Trekkie/ sciffy jokes
-Any other "friendly banter" (Yes, those *are* ominous quotation marks) we may feel like throwing your way.

We'll try not to gang up on you too much. I wil, anyway. If you can distinguish between banter and flame then we'll all get along just fine.

[DirectorTsaarx]

I can't believe it's been a week since I Last visited... 7 pages of Posts are a lot to go through at once, especially here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I missed the whole Atrocities-MoW thing (well, I saw the thread but it was locked by then). In any case, in light of the strong opinions voiced over there and alluded to here, I'd like to apologize to Atrocities for bringing up SFB & ST "canon" in regards to his Gorn shipset.

Now that I have the maudlin bit off my chest, it's time to settle in with my friends from the Unseelie Court - a Jack In Irons, a couple honest-to-Goddess nymphs, and a former death god. The gargoyles and night hags stayed outside to keep the T-Rex company... (been reading books by Laurell K Hamilton - yowza!)

[tesco samoa]

DT you were gone a week... Sugar.... Tesco hacks into wonderful world of Online banking and taxes and all and transfer's Last weeks total tab for the cantina from Saxon's accounts over to DT.... THis takes many hours and is quite difficult.... Then tesco notices that the Flux Capacitor is still lying on the floor and picks it up and goes back in time one week and tells the bar to put it on DT's Tab.... And decides to do what everyone in the world has wished to do... Sits down with himself at the bar and begins to drink.... meanwhile forgetting why he went back in time ... which causes the following stuff to happen....

[Puke]

just moments before puke takes note of Tesco's idea, and tucks the plan away for the future, puke walks into the cantina. striding right up to pukes table, puke draws a sidearm from his shoulder holster and puts a CORBON .357 SIG hollowpoint through pukes temple.

Puke collapses dead on the floor, and puke sits down in his place, finishing his drink and ordering another as a team of FBWs armed with brooms and sawdust clean up puke's corpse (presumeably carting it off to make pukewings).

no one else seems to notice.

[Growltigga]

Dogscoff, I will refrain from flaming ManofWar on this post as requested. I hope that your trust is not shown to be flawed.

ManofWar, I am not being "honest", my personal integrity is a matter for me and me alone. I am being direct and for your own sake I hope you understand the subtle difference.

I will make this point, you apologised for your unwarranted insults again Atrocities and his website and that is fine. We all make mistakes and we learn by them. But, you were petulant enough to go to his website and try and get his site closed down. Whatever you subsequently say, that action has you marked down as petty minded, childish and pathetic.

Apologies if you dont like this but that is just my "honesty" at work.

[Atrocities]

NOTE: The web site is still up. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Oh and try the Tribblet wings MoW, they are the best. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[mac5732]

Mac is sitting quietly on the Cantina Patio, enjoying the Last 2 days of his vacation, reading a research thesis on the 5 Gum Brands and the comparison in terms of flavor retention, eLasticity, bubble capacity and chewing rebound, in the scientific manual he so studiously is reading, it shows a graph showing the results of compensating various results of various saliva acidities, this way if you know your PH, it helps you choose the proper gum for your chewing style.
aaahh Nothing like scientific research, Chewing most vigorously some of the gum flavors, mac obtains a judicious wad of various concoctions of extremely sticky gum. He gets up walks out into the parking lot and puts a huge piece under Dogscoffs new cruiser, smiling to himself, he walks back into the cantina and gives Geo's regenerating corpse a wad to chew as he grows back into himself and using it to plug the bullet holes that cover his dank body, then he strolls back out onto the patio, sits back and continues reading his new scientific journal.

just a few days of vacation left Mac

[ August 17, 2002, 04:39: Message edited by: mac5732 ]

[capnq]

Dogscoff, the patches are funny. Sometimes, they think that the se4 executable isn't what it is supposed to be, and you can't patch it. So, you have to reinstall se4. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The patches also can get confused by multiple installs, and may try to patch the wrong folder if you're not paying enough attention.

[Gryphin]

capq,
I made sure it is in the correct folder. Then ast mac's suggestion uninstalled the earlier Versions, No joy.
Spent 2 hours today looking for my CD, No Joy.

Is there something in the Registry?
I'm not afraide to edit it.

[Gryphin]

Um, Er, Um,
There is another cause for that error.
If you try to use Patch 7 to upgrade 1.67 you will get the same message.
oooops.
My thanks to the esteemable SuicideJunkie for being there when I needed it.

Quietly gets his own Dorsendonk and goes off to a cornor mumbling something about getting new glasses

[ August 17, 2002, 23:02: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Taz-in-Space]

...Taz is writing down the Puke incident in the bar log and comes to the section detailing the crimes commited...

Let's see - if Puke kills Himself then the crime is suicide.
But wait, the puke that died is not the same Puke that pulled the trigger! So it is a murder.
No, the Puke that pulled the trigger must have been a later Puke temperally (in time) so he killed his past self and so his future self also is now dead! So it's a murder/suicide.
But wait, if his future self died before he went back in time, then he cannot kill himself! Thus no actual crime could have been done. (Except to the sanity of the bystanders)
Except for the fact that there IS a Puke corpse!!...

...Taz writes in the log that Puke is quilty of *SOMETHING STRANGE*. (A common occurance in this fine establishment)...

BTW even Taz will not lower himself to serving Puke Wings - He has the corpse thrown out to the parking staff to get rid of it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Puke]

Originally posted by Taz-in-Space:
[Q]He has the corpse thrown out to the parking staff to get rid of it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif [/QB]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">as if any self respecting t-rex would eat a puke corpse.

[Raging Deadstar]

LOL Taz, yeah but what happens if a guy with multiple personalities tries to kill himself, is that a hostage situation? Hmmm can i ask who is oing on the bbq? don't even think of using pukes corpse, if the t-rex won't eat it the cantina won't, hmmm maybe the mongoose! ahhh well i doubt i'll be posting for a the next week or so, kinda "preoccupied"

*Leaving the cantina Raging deadstar gets an evil look from the t-rex, showing all its teeth. RD Hands it his wallet!
"OK I'LL TIP YOU, YOU HAPPY NOW!" The T-Rex/Valet flashes his huge teeth and stomps off with RD's wallet. RD climbs into his dreadnought, complete with bump from Indestructable parking meters and begins orbiting the planet through fear of being clamped/squahed by the Valet in the car park....*

[Growltigga]

Raging Deadstar, I apologise that the head valet is so persistent in his request for tips, this is primarily as the house is on a share and the cost of maintaining his dentistry.

The alternative is to do what I do and just keep a few dead goats in the back of my landrover.

[dogscoff]

The alternative is to do what I do and just keep a few dead goats in the back of my landrover.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">From Jurassic Park:

T.Rex doesn't want to be fed, he wants to hunt. Can't just suppress sixty five million years of gut instinct.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Of course, given that the T-Rex was extinct for the 65 million year period he mentions, that kind of invalidates his argument.

[Growltigga]

[/QUOTE]Of course, given that the T-Rex was extinct for the 65 million year period he mentions, that kind of invalidates his argument.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Well spotted Dogscoff, I like your logical thought processing, maybe we should debate again whether or not you do eat poo.

Barry the T-Rex far prefers roaring, cadging tips off people, fresh goat and ripping offenders limbs from limb. He also likes having his tummy tickled but I would reccomend against doing this as he does tend to 'break wind' when he gets excited

He cannot do hunting, no horse will carry him and he looks daft in one of them pink jackets.

[ August 19, 2002, 11:36: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

[Growltigga]

as if any self respecting t-rex would eat a puke corpse

Well, it would but it would depend on how said puke corpse was prepared and the availability of the right sort of condiment.

If puke corpse is lightly roasted (perhaps with a rosemary and garlic jus), the T-Rex would probably need a good apple sauce, if puke corpse was flame grilled, I would expect a nice San Francisco honey, chipotle and tomato relish would do the business and if raw, you would need shallot vinegar, mayonnaise and tobasco sauce

hmmm, I think you would need quite a robust wine with your average cooked puke, I would reccomend a nice ice chilled muscadet or posibly, a crozes hermitage

[ August 19, 2002, 15:19: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

[sachmo]

Does this place have fajitas? What do you have for folks who are off the sauce?

[Growltigga]

Sachmo, you would probably need to slowly bake the puke corpse to tenderise it enough to make decent fajitas.

I have got a great idea, make up a marinade of natural yoghurt, coriander seeds, a double handful of fresh mint, salt, pepper, garlic, a couple of good lugs of olive oil and the juice and zest of 2 limes, rub this into the puke joint and leave to marinade overnight, this will tenderise it nicely and you could then flame griddle thin strips of the meat until blackened for the fajitas.

We have tons of non-alcoholic drinks, for this meal, I think something potent like an elderflower cordial ith spring water would be what you need.

[sachmo]

How does one grill puke? Better question...why? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Raging Deadstar]

After a terrible injustice Raging Deadstar heads back to the cantina, reverse parking into a space and sighing as he misses the meter, only to be pranged by a Tigg-A PLC Battlecruiser, someone hadn't put on the dam handbrake, thinking of complaining he notices the wave motion guns and decides best not. Baryy The T-Rex stomps up, drops a now shredded wallet and demands a tip! Luckily Raging Deadstar came prepared and opened up the cargo bay of his ship and watched as a line of accountants marched out being "persuaded" by cattle prod weilding crew members. The accountants run for the redneck bar down the road and Barry follows.

"HMMM I'm sure GT won't mind the dinosaur doing property damage to that place, anyway i doubt many lawyers would try and prosecute the t-rex...!"

Well why do we fry puke? Well we feel for poor old puke, i mean walking into a bar and seeing your own body on the floor must be strange. Anyway if all else fails we could stitch that talking geoschmo head to the puke boddy and have a security guard or cleaner that announces the door is ajar every 5 minutes

[Taz-in-Space]

...Hi there Raging Deadstar, So what kind of libation do you care for today?

Well we feel for poor old puke, i mean walking into a bar and seeing your own body on the floor must be strange. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As the official head bartender, I have a theory on the Puke killing. At least one of those Pukes was a clone! Yep. Maybe BOTH!! Maybe everyone here is a clone. Are you sure YOU are not a clone? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

GT, maybe we should invest in some clone detectors! Think of all those bar tabs that could be run up by say 1000 clones http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[Growltigga]

Taz, you are right, I have ordered deliverey pronto of the ACME clone detection scanner unit for mounting over the door. If we can link this up with a high-powered taser or something, we can electrify the clones and offer our customers hog-roasts!

Turning back to Puke's corpse, as he is a Californian, I think it is only fair that we stuff him with oranges, lemons and chillis, baste him in a honey, garlic and chilli rub and oven bake for a couple of hours. Serve up with a light salad and some San Francisco sour dough and with a glass of napa valley chardonnay?

Anyone up for that?

[Growltigga]

Raging Star, of course I do not mind it if Barry inconveniences the competition in any way. Thinking about it, I havn't seen much of that redneck bar for absolutely ages, just gos to show that only the best establishments have the staying power (and puke corpse cuisine).

I am not sure about the accountants, I think that is a bit cruel, ol' Barry is not vegetarian and shouldn't eat a bunch of bean (counters).

[Puke]

Originally posted by Growltigga:
I think it is only fair that we stuff him with oranges, lemons and chillis, baste him in a honey, garlic and chilli rub and oven bake for a couple of hours. Serve up with a light salad and some San Francisco sour dough and with a glass of napa valley chardonnay?

Anyone up for that?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">sounds great, and couldn't be more appropriate. be sure and get the rub underneath the skin, so the flavor can soak in.

[Growltigga]

sounds great, and couldn't be more appropriate. be sure and get the rub underneath the skin, so the flavor can soak in.

No no no no NO, to get the rub to permeate the meat and to soften the flesh, you cut small slits into it and ensure the rub is well put into this.

I am assuming your meat is quite tough Puke, except maybe the buttocks which I am told could be quite tender

PS Puke, go to bed

[dogscoff]

When this thread gets too big, I suggest that the next one be called "The New Geo's Head Olde New Galactic Cannibal Bar & Grill"...

[Growltigga]

Nahhh, we will call it "Blimpers"

[Puke]

if we change the name, do we have to give up the phong's head shaped drinking mugs?

[Growltigga]

El Vomito, no, infact your are the only one who still has a drinking mug in the shape of a Phong's head. Mac has a stein, Dogscoff has an effete champagne flute with one of them curly straws (and he drinks halves of shandy with his little finger sticking out), I have a beachbabe shaped mug, Taz has a bowl, Gryphin has a mug in the shape of a comical set of breasts etc

Shouldn't you be in bed yet?

[dogscoff]

i used to have a phongs head stein, but the lid just conjured up vile imagry of quaffing cerebral fluid from a lobotomized phong. so i had it removed. now its a mug.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Anyone remember the Slaine comics in 2000AD? Slaine was this really cool celtic beserker & warrior-king who used to take the "brain-balls" (Ie cerebral cavity) of his enemies to use as drinking vessels=-)

It was all (well, apart from the aliens and time travel and stuff) based around real Celtic history/ legend, so that may have been a real custom back in celtic Britain.

Slaine was cool. "Kiss my Axe."

[Growltigga]

Is 2000AD still around? I use to love FLESH, Judge Dredd, the Strontium Dog, the one about the GI's, the VC's

Slaine was excellent, I remember him fighting all these Fomorian devils, excellent

I always wondered about skulls as drinking vessels. YOu would have to block up all the holes asa the beer/lemonade/whatever would run out wouldn't it

[ August 20, 2002, 13:14: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

[dogscoff]

2000AD: Don't know if it's still around or not. I used to love the Dredd strips the most, especially the semi-humorous ones. Slaine and Rogue trooper were also great, and I remember a good C64 game based on Nemesis the Warlock (you had to kill enough bad guys to stack up the bodies to reach the higher parts of the level=-)

While we're in comicland... let me see if these names spark any conversation:

Doomlord (Skull-faced alien disintegrates bad guys, dies regularly and has to be regenerated at the cost of a human life, generally treads a fine moral line on a weekly basis, then comes home and has a cup of tea with his landlady=-)

The 13th Floor: Max, the attendant AI in a block of flats, brings about hideous hypnotic deaths to anyone harming his tenants. Great stuff...

And of course, Dan Dare. There's talk of a Hollywood movie or something. Has the potential to be an utter travesty...


YOu would have to block up all the holes asa the beer/lemonade/whatever would run out wouldn't it
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If I was drinking from a human skull, I don't think I'd be drinking lemonade. Beer, maybe, but I think "whatever" is the most likely option.

[ August 20, 2002, 17:54: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

[mac5732]

Mac, drinking a brewski watching the goings on with the Puke Corpse and Member Puke, shaking his head as the Puke Corpse is put on the rotating spit over hot coals on the Patio, hmmm,
appears to be quite of few of Dogscoffs minions hanging around the pit..... and Barry eyeing them with drooling anticipation.... I wonder if they Tip???

OT question, How do you get drones to move en masse, Shift-clik or ???

just some ideas a vacation recovering Mac

[ August 20, 2002, 19:58: Message edited by: mac5732 ]

[dogscoff]

mac: shift click works on drones. Pain in the arse when you've got 100 of the little buggers...

[tesco samoa]

how to get drones to move quick.... Lower the price of a stock... They will move quick and sell sell sell... Buy high sell low....

[Rollo]

Originally posted by dogscoff:
mac: shift click works on drones. Pain in the arse when you've got 100 of the little buggers...<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">sorry being OT here (i.e. being SE related)

you can select everything in a sector with shift+a

[Puke]

i used to have a phongs head stein, but the lid just conjured up vile imagry of quaffing cerebral fluid from a lobotomized phong. so i had it removed. now its a mug.

[Puke]

Originally posted by Growltigga:
Shouldn't you be in bed yet?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">after 34 hours up, i think its about time to take that advice. my tab is still open, i trust its in good care.

puke hangs up his phong mug for another day, and oozes out the door

[TerranC]

Long Time No See, good patrons of YNGB&G&PHC.

... That's all I wanted to say. If you want to hear a rant about the move to Montreal, get a big bowl of peanuts, 2 large mugs of Beer or poison of choice, dedicated mind, and hatred against the U-Haul Company.

Edit: To Dogscoff, what happened to O&C?

[ August 21, 2002, 04:49: Message edited by: TerranC ]

[Taz-in-Space]

Welcome back TerranC. So what liquid refreshment are you inbibing these days?

As to more solid fare, we have Roast Puke, Tribble wings and Umm.. Pecan crunches! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
And, as we are installing new clone detectors attached to Graviton Hellbores, I expect a few more Ahh.. menu additions in the near future. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Growltigga]

And, as we are installing new clone detectors attached to Graviton Hellbores, I expect a few more Ahh.. menu additions in the near future.

Well, whatever those menu additions will be, after being hit by a graviton hellbore, I suspect they will be small, rather dense and a bit heavy on the stomach http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[mac5732]

Dogscoof and Rollo, tks for the Info, appreciate it, Terran C, welcome back, I have my bowl of nuts, Brewskis and tribble wings, (I'll pass on roasted Puke for now), so lets have it, how was the move, Need something to enliven oneself, as Last 4 days been rough, son has Kidney stone, in ER for 7 hrs, Mother had stroke in ER for 6 hrs, and its only Wed Morning. UGH.....

Taz fill my stein with the strongest brew the cantina has, fill up the peanut bowl, BBQ those Tribble wings, yells Mac as he sits at his favorite table, leans back, and observes the studious installation of the new Clone Detectors and Barry who appears to be munching on some type of sea urchins, (notices the new valet suit the old T-Rex is wearing, wondering who his tailor was)

tired mac

[dumbluck]

Hey, Rollo, check your email. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif