Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"? [Archive] - Page 6

Slynky

June 21st, 2003, 06:32 AM

Slynky -vs- Gandalph: 2407.8

(standard KOTH start with exception of GOOD starting homeworld)

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1055779814.jpg

Orange is Slynky and green is Gandalph.

Since Last update, mostly juggling for position. I sent a fleet south into location 2 to try and clear the area of Gandalph planets. Received too much damage and had to retreat for repairs. Also, moved eastward from location 1 to move toward his home system. One system away, I saw 42 ships and turned my *** around (had a fleet of 28 or so ships and felt VERY uncomfortable!). Went back to guard location 1.

Then later, headed south to location 2, again. This time with more success. This fleet joined up with various small fleets in location 3. Cleared location 3 of Gandalph colonies and moved to the west clearing more.

At Last turn, he showed up at location 2 with a fleet of 57 ships (I'd say 50 are warships). Will he move west toward location 3, or move north toward my colonies? I have respectable defenses ready for either. And, seeing the fleet I ran back to location 1 from many turns ago, does he have enough resources to support another fleet to stop me from invading to the east from location 1? And are they as well-trained as mine?

Surely there are casulties to be seen soon, so I have ordered 24 cruisers to be built. It's a drain on my resources (supporting over 150 ships is ALREADY a drain!) but I figure I will have resources available as soon as the serious fighting begins.

Another fun and nail-biting game springing from a start of only one homeworld.

Krsqk

June 21st, 2003, 06:42 AM

I am consistently amazed at the numbers of ships some of the KOTH players are able to field! Maybe I'm just too conservative or something, but I take much longer to get all those ships out. With nearly every report posted here, I see how much further I have to go in my SE4 skills. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Slynky

June 21st, 2003, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by DavidG:
Hey Asmala I notice there is still a game on the Hill that is over. Georgig defeated Zarix June 14.Asmala has gone to a weekend cottage and will be back Sunday some time. (just so you know why it doesn't get fixed right away)

geoschmo

June 21st, 2003, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Cheeze:
I doubt I have any surprises that will turn things around from here. It would shock me even more than you. I have been down before...and Cheeze always rises again!!Well, I concede I have the advantage, but not knowing what else you have out there or where the core of your empire is I am not ready to say it's over just yet. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

By the way, why are you here posting? Let's play already. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Geoschmo

Grandpa Kim

June 21st, 2003, 06:08 PM

Grandpa Kim vs. Gozguy -- turn 75

The GK juggernaut rolls on! I have now relieved Goz of 2 more systems against only token resistance and am moving to take more as we speak. Whatever surprise he has in store he must use soon before riots bring his empire to a standstill. My two original fleets operating on opposite wings will soon be joined by two, more modern fleets.

I would say the end is in sight but experience says different. There's always something unexpected awaiting me.

Gandalph

June 21st, 2003, 06:44 PM

Gandalph vs Slynky - 2407.9

Gandalph surrenders. My Last ditch strategy move failed and I lost my entire fleet. Slynky is now wielding Cruisers with PPB V and I am stuck on LC's with DUC V. I am not sure how I got so far behind in this one. I tried a new opening strategy that I thought would result in an advantage on colonies (at least the numbers suggested it). Oh well, back to the drawing board.
Congrats Slynky, it was a thrilling ride and I look forward to meeting you again.

DavidG

June 22nd, 2003, 01:03 AM

Hey Asmala I notice there is still a game on the Hill that is over. Georgig defeated Zarix June 14.

geoschmo

June 22nd, 2003, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by Cheeze:
And to add to the frustration of it, I'm getting an error during the combat replay, so I cannot get an absolute sense of what happened during the battle.I am getting that error during combat replay too. I have had this problem in some games before with fighter combat, but this combat didn't have all that many fighters. Kind of wierd. If you look at the ship designs though you should get a sense of what happened.

Geoschmo

geoschmo

June 22nd, 2003, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by Krsqk:
I am consistently amazed at the numbers of ships some of the KOTH players are able to field! Maybe I'm just too conservative or something, but I take much longer to get all those ships out. With nearly every report posted here, I see how much further I have to go in my SE4 skills. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Really? Do you find yourself held back by a lack of resources or by a lack of space yards? Rapid expansion is critical in a two player game since you don't have the luxury of talking your way out of the early wars. Once you meet you pretty much got to be ready to fight.

Geoschmo

Slynky

June 22nd, 2003, 01:45 AM

Slynky -vs- Gandalph: 2407.9

(standard KOTH start with exception of GOOD starting homeworld)

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1056237655.jpg

Well, Gandalph, I posted my score if you have any curiosity. And, of course, I'll give my take on the game.

I think we both got adequate planets/systems near our home worlds. But after expansion to systems 2 or 3 away, your selection deteriorated. Also, I tried to "lock" you in on the right side and limit your ability to roam and colonize. Somewhat successful as we shared some systems in that area and each allocated some warships to guard/defend/attack those shared areas. But I was more able to colonize to the north (and on around the "center") without worry. Ultimately, that made the difference, I think, because you led the game for many many turns. Also, you had LCs when I was building DEs. So, I defended, mostly, while I expanded and, as I see it, you had to fight a bit to expand.

Luck plays an important part in games sometimes. Over all, I think my homeworld location was better and I was lucky that you attacked my planet with your fleet of sweepers and warships when you were expanding to the west at the bottom of the map. Losing your colony escorts left you with 9 (or so) colony ships that couldn't move without safety. Capturing one of yours with a full cargo of breathers was lucky. Lucky I had a huge rich mineral planet to convert to your breathers.

And sometimes, you help make your own luck. I had 2 stealth ships watching your moves in strategic areas that you never seemed to notice.

Looking forward to meeting me again? I always welcome a good game with a good player. And given a more even map layout, I think I would probably lose. I think I said it somewhere before: I'm not "KOTH" material and I'll never get there unless I have a lucky planet start. (So, I wouldn't necessarily abandon your expansion idea just yet).

Thanks for a good game. As I have also said, KOTH thrills me the most!

PS: My colony count is 88 because I sneaked Ice tech in there several turns back and 21 top-of-the-line cruisers would come off the line in the upcoming turn)

Cheeze

June 22nd, 2003, 01:58 AM

Oh sure, Geo, I have an idea how the rest of the battle went. I got my butt royally whooped. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif I would have done better, if nearly every ship there wasn't loaded down with point-defense. Still, I would have lost. Figures the only ships I captured were repair vessels...dang it!!

And it's not so much that I lost this one battle and it's over, but knowing how many ships are there and how many you must have elsewhere, leads me to believe that I'm further behind than even I guessed, and it will just get uglier for me from here!

I doubt I have any surprises that will turn things around from here. It would shock me even more than you. I have been down before...and Cheeze always rises again!!

Slynky

June 22nd, 2003, 05:36 PM

Taking a look at the KOTH site, it looks like there is no one to play in the middle of the hill. Of course, Geo might be up there soon (gulp!). If so, I will have to make a special race for him! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Asmala

June 22nd, 2003, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by Zarix:
Georgig has won our game. I don't have anymore enough time for the league so I guess this was my Last game. At least for some time.I can't understand how I have missed this message. Sorry about that and thanks to DavidG for pointing out this.

Ragnarok

June 23rd, 2003, 05:11 AM

Ragnarok vs. Mathias_Ice
Standard settings.

2401.4 - We make first contact in one of my systems. I put defense units in queue. Nothing much else happens this turn.

2401.5 - His ship attacks my new colony and wipes it out as combat takes place before construction. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif Things will get interesting from here on out. I just hope I'm not in as bad of a situation I think I am. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Mathias_Ice

June 23rd, 2003, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
2401.5 - His ship attacks my new colony and wipes it out as combat takes place before construction. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif Things will get interesting from here on out. I just hope I'm not in as bad of a situation I think I am. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Woot! First blood!

Don't think I'm gonna fall for your psyop about your "bad situation." Hehe.

Ares

June 24th, 2003, 05:42 AM

I went back 5 pages (admittedly skimming), and couldn't find the answer to the question I'm sure is on every KOTH voyeur's mind ;-) Who is holding the title?

Ragnarok

June 24th, 2003, 06:09 AM

Originally posted by Ares:
I went back 5 pages (admittedly skimming), and couldn't find the answer to the question I'm sure is on every KOTH voyeur's mind ;-) Who is holding the title?Check out the KOTH league page. Currently Stone Mill is the king.

Edit: I got the link. It is found in Asmala's sig. KOTH Leage Page (http://koti.mbnet.fi/asmala/koth/) That shows all current members on the hill and shows who is at the top and the current king. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Hope that helps.

[ June 24, 2003, 05:10: Message edited by: Ragnarok ]

Ragnarok

June 24th, 2003, 06:55 AM

Originally posted by Mathias_Ice:

Don't think I'm gonna fall for your psyop about your "bad situation." Hehe.I wish I didn't have to believe it. We'll see how things go in the next few turns to find out if I will tell you why. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Baron Grazic

June 24th, 2003, 08:04 AM

RexTorres's Abbidon (Rock Oxygen) Vs Grazic's EEEvil EEEmpire (Ice Methane) - Standard KOTH match - 2402.6

Rex and myself started this game in earnest today.
So far it is a big land grab with Rex taking the advantage, keeping me locked into a third of the Galaxy.

No fights as yet, but mine layers are working over time, and Rex's Colony ships seem to just get their mines launched before my ships attack, giving his settlers a nice Firework display to celebrate their new colony.

Death Toll to mines :-
EEEvil EEEmpire - 2 Escorts & 2 Frigates.
Abbidon - 1 Colony Ship.

Slynky

June 24th, 2003, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by Ares:
I went back 5 pages (admittedly skimming), and couldn't find the answer to the question I'm sure is on every KOTH voyeur's mind ;-) Who is holding the title?I think you'll find that same URL in all of Geoschmo's Posts in here, too. He used to take care of it.

Stone Mill

June 24th, 2003, 06:57 PM

KOTH Title Defense IV: Stone Mill vs. Rollo
Turn 40
It's the beginning of the end.

I managed to piece together a medium-sized raid on Rollo's outpost system which ended in tradgedy. Note to self: if you are using ship capture, you must set that strategy to "ships- break formation." My boarding ships sat around and got pounded. He had the edge with some armor and sensors II vs my sensors I, but most else was even.

I managed to capture a planet (lost to a counterattack) and capture some of his ships in a second raid, but then... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

The reality of a bad ecomonic start and early mistakes finally rears its ugly head- Rollo comes busting through with a 70 ship fleet.

Rollo is a great player who needs no advantage... and I know what kind of start he had... I took Ancient Race. The luck of the draw made this one very tough for me... I scrapped together resources from most every available planet, but unless he was sloppy or careless, it would be impossible for me to keep up.

I hate playing games where I have to gamble from behind the 8-ball... I often guess wrong.

So... my production can't even come close to stopping that big fleet. I may be able to delay it with creative tactics... but the end is in sight... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

...Bags really packed this time. Time to issue Last minute executive orders and pardons... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ June 24, 2003, 17:57: Message edited by: Stone Mill ]

Slynky

June 24th, 2003, 07:22 PM

Wow, Stone. Looks like a tough game. (Not to take anything away from Rollo).

It would have been interesting (to me, anyway) to hear more about growth and progress along the way...after all, the battle is taking place on top of the hill!

(perhaps you have a surprise for him and are keeping it secret from this thread... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

Mathias_Ice

June 24th, 2003, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by Stone Mill:

...Bags really packed this time. Time to issue Last minute executive orders and pardons... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

(Not at your situation Stone, just your comment.)

Stone Mill

June 24th, 2003, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by Mathias_Ice:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Stone Mill:

...Bags really packed this time. Time to issue Last minute executive orders and pardons... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

(Not at your situation Stone, just your comment.)<hr /></blockquote>LOL! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Well, you can laugh at my situation too... I'm still having fun. It's been a while since I've had a boot in the rear. I've had my fair share of luck along the way, too.

Slynky- shhhhhhhhhhh! don't give away the details of my secret counter attack. So secret, even I don't know about it! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Stone Mill

June 25th, 2003, 02:34 AM

::: Elvis slumps over on his throne and vomits. :::

All Hail the new King, Rollo! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Well done.

I leave to all:
One sequin jumpsuit
Cool sunglasses
A peanut-butter and banana sandwhich
The Graceland estate
One Last, "Shake, Rattle, and Roll."
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Asmala, I'm going to take a little break from KOTH. Wshew!

:::Looks down :::
Wow, baby... that's a long way down! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

geoschmo

June 25th, 2003, 03:21 AM

Hear Ye! Hear Ye!

The King is dead!

Long live the new King. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Slynky

June 25th, 2003, 03:42 AM

Hey, is that "fat" Elvis I see? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Nice streak, Stone. Well done!

And congrats, Rollo!

(Rollo must have used a secret weapon...donut-shaped ships http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif )

Baron Grazic

June 25th, 2003, 04:12 AM

Congratulation Rollo... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
I'm sorry to see you having a break StoneMill, but on the other hand, things haven't got any better for the EEEvil EEEmpire, with Rex tightening the noose, and I wouldn't want to come up against you at the bottom of the hill. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
I still have 1 more trick up my sleeve but if it doesn't work, then look out below...

Ragnarok

June 25th, 2003, 04:46 AM

Ragnarok vs. Mathias_Ice

2404.5 - Well, I can now let it be known why I was talking about me being beat this game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I am pinned into a corner of the map and I'm surrounded by Mathias. When I first opened the game up on turn 1 I thought I had a pretty good starting position; but as the turns started going by I found I have a few empty systems and hardly any good planets to colonize. So I began to panic. But then I meet Mathias and that makes things worse. I try to get a different way to expand but I soon find Mathias waiting there as well. He has over 2/3s of the map most likely and the 3rd that I have is not that productive of territory. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif So baring any miracles here I do believe Mathias will pull this game off rather easy. However, the past 2 turns I have managed to pull into 1st place. But as we all know that never means anything. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif More updates to come as they become available.

Baron Grazic

June 25th, 2003, 07:32 AM

RexTorres's Abbidon (Rock Oxygen) DEFEATED Grazic's EEEvil EEEmpire (Ice Methane) - Standard KOTH match - 2405.0

While the EEEvil EEEmpire commenced its attack in the shared Zitrod System, RexTorres's fleet commenced his attack in the shared Terex System.
In the Zitrod system, victory went to the EEEvil EEEmpire, with heavy losses, but we did manage to capture about 200K worth of technology, not including Rex's Rock Colonisation technology. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
Perhaps the battle results would have been better if our ships weren't using DUC1!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif
On the other side, the Abbidon took complete control of the Terex System, followed by Kartogia, destroyed 1 planet in the Resshrak and cleared the Qikitrin System.
Our attempt to use fighters to stop the fleet failed, and after the EEEvil EEEmpire saw the Abbidon's follow up second and third fleets, we surrendered. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Good luck further up the hill Rex... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Message from the EEEvil EEEmpire to the Universe :-
though wEEE fall now, wEEE shall risEEE again.

Edit: - Game completed in 2 days, not counting the first 3 turns. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ June 25, 2003, 06:37: Message edited by: Baron Grazic ]

Slick

June 25th, 2003, 08:51 AM

It is a sad day; it is a happy day,
There is a new King of the Hill,

The Old King tried striking
At the on-coming Viking,

They punched, they jabbed,
They wrestled, they stabbed,

In a huge cloud of dust,
They parried and cussed,

The King was tested,
And finally bested,

It was Custer's Last stand,
Then a change of command,

The Old King steps down,
With grace and renown,

The Old King's retired,
The New King's all wired,

With sounds of the drummers,
He awaits the new-comers,

To contiue the drill,
At the top of the hill,

But there may come a day,
When the Old King says "Hey..."

"...forget this inaction!
I feel an attraction..."

"I need satisfaction"
And jumps into action,

To charge once again,
While leading his men,

With incredible skill,
Up the dangerous hill,

To take once again,
By guiding his men,

The top of the Hill,
by sheer force of will,

So beware you players,
Lurkers, nay-sayers,

All over the Hill,
We may see him still,

The man of great skill,
Known as Stone Mill!

It is a sad day; it is a happy day,
There is a new King of the Hill.

==============================
My congratulations to Rollo, the new King of the Hill and to Stone Mill for an impressive reign.

Slick.

Stone Mill

June 25th, 2003, 12:29 PM

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Yes Slinky- that is Fat Elvis, you see. I estimated the "washed up" image was appropriate... hee hee... it makes me chuckle. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Slick- that Rime was terrific. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Should be told around campfires for ages!

And thanks for the compliments... Once again, I'm amazed by the great crew we have here and the level of sportsmanship amongst the players. I'll be back... and look out below! heh heh... I'l be nice and fresh... hopefully against an unwary newbie... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky

June 25th, 2003, 06:48 PM

You guys are just TOO funny http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif . It's fitting the "changing of the guard" should be accompanied by such wit!

David E. Gervais

June 25th, 2003, 07:02 PM

Rollo, congrats on the title of 'King of the Hill', but deep inside we all know you're realy the 'Jester of the Hill'. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Asmala

June 25th, 2003, 09:03 PM

Congratulations to the new king! There isn't now contender so enjoy your break. We got a new KOTH player again, welcome Joachim.

The KOTH page is up to date, as usual http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

primitive

June 25th, 2003, 09:05 PM

Busy ravaging and pillaging on the planets formerly owned by Lord Chane, Primitive suddenly notices that something has changed. The neverending music coming from the top of the hill had stoppet. No more "Jailhouse Rock", no more "Blue suede shoes", no more "Don't be cruel" and (thank god) no more "Let me be your Teddy Bear" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Hail to the new King, my you reign be good (but not too long http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

Kudos to the old King for making the hill a fun place. Looking forward to your return Stone.

geoschmo

June 25th, 2003, 09:12 PM

So how many different Kings have their been now? Seems like I remember Gandalph being the first one. Do I have that right? Is it just those three?

Ragnarok

June 25th, 2003, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
So how many different Kings have their been now? Seems like I remember Gandalph being the first one. Do I have that right? Is it just those three?I do believe this is just our second king. Stome Mill was the first if I'm not mistaken.

Edit: I just thought of this after posting my message. But perhaps this could be added to the KOTH page. Make a section showing all the kings that we have had. How long they were able to hold their crown and so forth.

[ June 25, 2003, 20:16: Message edited by: Ragnarok ]

geoschmo

June 25th, 2003, 09:19 PM

No, I rememeber now. It was Preacherman, not Gandalph. He beat me to become the first King. There was no King at the time. Then StoneMill unseated him.

What happened to Preacherman by the way. Haven't seen him lately.

Geoschmo

Ragnarok

June 25th, 2003, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
No, I rememeber now. It was Preacherman, not Gandalph. He beat me to become the first King. There was no King at the time. Then StoneMill unseated him.

What happened to Preacherman by the way. Haven't seen him lately.

GeoschmoThat's right. I forgot about him. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif I haven't seen him around here either.

geoschmo

June 25th, 2003, 09:43 PM

The Book of the Kingdom of the Hill

In the begining the hill was dark and chaos reinged and all were embroiled in petty wars about it's base and sides and none was worthy to sit upon the throne.

And by the by did two step forward and through the right of victory over their enemies did lay claim the right to the mantle of the King. And thus did Preacherman face Geoschmo on the field of battle, and thus was Preacheman victorius and took his rightful place on the throne and Geoschmo was cast off into utter darkness.

And so Preacherman was the first true King and his reign was one of peace and light and all was well in the Kingdom of the Hill.

And by the by the good King Preacherman did grow old and feeble from lack of challange, so that when a the Mighty Stone Mill finally rose from the depths of the Hill he slew good King Preacheman with his sword and a twist of his hips.

And Stone Mill the magnificent took his place upon the throne and was crowned the second King. And he looked upon his Kingdom and said, "Thank you, Thank you verra much."

And thus all was well in the Kingdom of the Hill and all it's citizens lived in safety for Stone Mill the Magnificent was a mighty warrior. Three times did challangers rise to face the Stoney one, and three times did he slay them all in their course.

Asmala the Wise, 1FSTCAT the Brave, and RexTorres the Strong did all seek the throne, and all were denied in turn for Stone Mill was truely the King.

But by and by did the King grow fond of looking at himself in the mirror and practicing his snarl and eating the royal peanut butter and nanner sandwiches.

And thus did a new challenger come from the Northlands. One who was a king in his own right in the land of his birth and born and bred to the task of fighting. And thus did Rollo raise his sword up to smite King Stone Mill. And as King Stone Mill lifted himself from his throne to face the challenge of Rollo, he did by and by slip on a nanner peel and was slain.

And thus did Rollo the Fearsome become the third King. And all was good in the Kingdom of the Hill, for Rollo had brought beer.

[ June 25, 2003, 20:47: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Stone Mill

June 25th, 2003, 09:56 PM

LOL!!! Great stuff!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Just daydreaming... perhaps it would be nice to add a "King's Corner" on the KOTH page with the legacy of the Kings, length of the reign, number of defenses...

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Asmala

June 25th, 2003, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by Stone Mill:
Just daydreaming... perhaps it would be nice to add a "King's Corner" on the KOTH page with the legacy of the Kings, length of the reign, number of defenses...Great idea but I don't have time to carry it out. If someone can do the King's Corner it would be great.

primitive

June 25th, 2003, 10:20 PM

LOL Geo.

Great book, keep it updated.

Ragnarok

June 25th, 2003, 10:25 PM

Ragnarok vs. Mathias_Ice

2406.4 - I have held first place for awhile now but a turn ago I lost it only to gain it back the next turn. This past turn was the first major battle. Mathias charged into one of my systems with if I remember correctly 20-25 ships. I had a fleet of 32 ships at that very warp point. Battle took place, I lost 2 ships, 3 others were damaged while he escaped with 2 that didn't get killed off that are now sitting at the warp point on my side waiting to be destroyed. Who knows what this means for me but hopefully it will be good. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I am very suprised I am doing half way good with how much space I have and how bad of a start it was. But this has been a very fun game and I look forward to seeing the outcome. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

More updates to come.

Slick

June 25th, 2003, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by Stone Mill:
LOL!!! Great stuff!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Just daydreaming... perhaps it would be nice to add a "King's Corner" on the KOTH page with the legacy of the Kings, length of the reign, number of defenses...

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Ok, you slug, you have been resting long enough. Get back to work on your Strategy Articles. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

p.s. Hmmm... I sure am in a butt-kicking mood all day today; the people who work for me are walking on eggshells. The "good cop, bad cop" plan works! I'll probably buy them lunch on Friday...

Slick.

Stone Mill

June 25th, 2003, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by Slick:
Ok, you slug, you have been resting long enough. Get back to work on your Strategy Articles. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

p.s. Hmmm... I sure am in a butt-kicking mood all day today; the people who work for me are walking on eggshells. The "good cop, bad cop" plan works! I'll probably buy them lunch on Friday...

Slick.Sorry, Slick, I know I owe you the final update to 17.3... It's been on my back-burner. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
Let me get right on that sir.

Can you FedEx lunch?!? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Ragnarok

June 26th, 2003, 12:42 AM

Ragnarok vs. Mathias_Ice

2407.7 - The battle for first place has been back and forth the past dozen turns or so. This past turn I just sent my fleet of 55 ships through the warp point to find out that he has a huge fleet waiting for me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif He managed to destroy all my ships while his fleet was over half destroyed I do believe. That leaves him in first place for the time being. Another massive fleet is being built on my side of the warp point and I'm sure if he comes through anytime soon that he'll pay for it. *evil grin* This game is becoming more and more interesting as it goes on and I'm loving it. It's a challange fighting from my position but I don't mind. I'm learning things from it that's for sure.

More updates as they become available. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Slynky

June 26th, 2003, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
Ragnarok vs. Mathias_Ice

2407.7Sounds like it's turning into a real nail-biter. I ALWAYS get worried and nervous when fleets that size wander into battles. It always helps not to put all of one's eggs...er...ships in one basket...er...fleet.

Sounds like you guys are having fun!

Ragnarok

June 26th, 2003, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ragnarok:
Ragnarok vs. Mathias_Ice

2407.7Sounds like it's turning into a real nail-biter. I ALWAYS get worried and nervous when fleets that size wander into battles. It always helps not to put all of one's eggs...er...ships in one basket...er...fleet.

Sounds like you guys are having fun!<hr /></blockquote>Indeed we are having fun. Or at least I am. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif It appears I have held off as long as I can. My fate is about to come before me. He busted through the warp point where the battles have taken place. My small fleet was able to take out and damage a few ships but still 25 remain. Then in another system he busted through there with a fleet of 17 ships. I do not have any more fleets that can take these ships on; so it is about over. I will post a image of the map in my next update.

Ships are being built at a frantic pace on my side but it is not going to be enough. I feel my ships are superior in design but not having the economy from such a small section of the galaxy being mine hurt me in the size of fleet I was able to support. I will continue to fight but it will be hard at this point as I doubt I'll ever be able to go on the offensive with him attacking my interior systems. But this game has been one sweet game that I will remember for awhile. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

geoschmo

June 26th, 2003, 01:17 AM

Geoschmo vs Cheeze 2406.3

Grand Lord Ikul speaks

People of the Imperium. I come before you today on the occasion of a great battle during the course of a great and terrible war. A war for our liberty, our property, our very lives. The enemy that we face is a clever and determined foe. It will take all the efforts of every one of us if we are to be victorious. However, we must be victorious. Failure is not an option.

Recently the enemy launched an offensive in great force into the Xiria system. The defenders fought valiantly, but were greatly outnumbered overrun. A key strategic planet was captured and the population enslaved.

The Floral fleet then moved on deeper into our empire, into the great impenatrable darkness of the Eskirk nebulae. Beyond this were two paths open to them, both equally dangerous for our people. If the invadres were allowed to get past this point there would be little or nothing to stop the complete ravaging of our great empire.

Task Force Defoliant was pulled out of position from the front lines and sent to intercept this fleet. A quarter of the distance accross the quadrant they rushed. Low on fuel they took up position in the Pawtril system and awaited their fate.

Never in the course of Memnorak events have so many owed so much to so few. At the cost of a great number of our valiant warriors the enemy fleet was completely routed.

If the Memnorak Imperium lives for thousand years, men will speak of this battle in hushed tones. Truely, they will say, this was their finest hour.

Rollo

June 26th, 2003, 01:38 AM

As the Vikings storm the hill in drunken rage and pillage the old Graceland Palace, no brick is left on top the other.
King Rollo arrives with his personal guard of four Valkyrjars in Mark3 'Copacabana' Body Armor and slaps his forehead: "Just splendid, folks... Can anyone tell me where we are gonna crash tonite?"
The Vikings look around sheepishly and some start whisteling.
"Oh well, might as well use our remaining supplies and party all night."
Transports pull in and begin to unload countless kegs of beer, mead, and other kinds of intoxicants from all over the known universe. The crowd begins to cheer. Animals are skewered up and are roasted over the fires of the old palace.
"A speech, a speech..!", the crowd demands.

King Rollo rolls his eyes, as he is not a man of many words, and swears under his breath "okay, okay, might as well".
He steps upon a shield and is lifted high above the crowd:
"Ahem... I never doubted we would be here. And noone deserves this more than me!"
The crowd cheers again and it is a moving sight as some old Vikings wipe some tears from their eyes: "Oh my. Our King is so humble..."

King Rollo steps down from the shield and gives out orders. Let's not forget our worthy adversaries along the hill. They must be thirsty too. A group of Vikings begins to send kegs of beer rolling down the sides of the hill, which pick up terrifying speed after a short while: "Heads up, down there!"

The newly crowned king wakes up the next day with a splitting headache wearing only his crown and a t-shirt which reads: "I stormed the Graceland Palace and all I got was a peanut butter and banana sandwich."

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Thank you all for your congrats,
Rollo

Baron Grazic

June 26th, 2003, 01:56 AM

Go, Mathias_Ice, Go
Come on Rags, join us at the bottom again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ June 26, 2003, 00:57: Message edited by: Baron Grazic ]

Stone Mill

June 26th, 2003, 01:56 AM

Good accounts, Rags. Sorry about the impending doom, but it sounded like lots of tactical fun.

Usually, if you have the tech edge, all may not be lost, even though it looks bleak. Some players like to sacrifice research in favor of minerals.

Now, if he has way more ships than you and better tech (thanks, Rollo http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ), your butt is in trouble.

Ragnarok

June 26th, 2003, 02:14 AM

Originally posted by Stone Mill:
Good accounts, Rags. Sorry about the impending doom, but it sounded like lots of tactical fun.

Usually, if you have the tech edge, all may not be lost, even though it looks bleak. Some players like to sacrifice research in favor of minerals.

Now, if he has way more ships than you and better tech (thanks, Rollo http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ), your butt is in trouble.I got the tech advantage I'm sure. I have Cruisers with PPB Vs, while he has LCs and DUC Vs. He just has about twice as many ships as me so his numbers will swarm me anyday. I think I could've got this game had I not sent that ship into the warp point and lost it. If I had just helf back longer and built more of a fleet and went with my other plan of going through a different warp point then this would be a different looking game.

Ragnarok

June 27th, 2003, 05:07 AM

Ragnarok vs. Mathias_Ice

Guess what folks; it's turn 104. Yes, I have survived another 100 turn game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
Anyway, to the update...Mathias is still going on the offensive and wiping a couple of my systems clean but I have managed to scrap together another fleet real quick like and have taken out 2 of his fleets now. (Thanks to the defending warp point first shot setting) He now has another fleet of 47 ships heading my direction with his new top of the line Cruisers. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I will attempt to defende myself but the end is near. I am only delaying my fate with each passing turn. I do believe that my cruisers still outmatch his cruisers with no problems as his new cruiser ships still only have DUC Vs (at least theo nes I've seen so far) and I have PPB Vs. I think that if I had the economy to continue defending my current colonies, to keep building on my fleet and to defend another expansion effort that I could do it due to that fact that I out tech Mathias. But alas, I don't have the economy to do such a thing so I will await my final death. I'll update again when the game is over. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Great game!

Ragnarok

June 27th, 2003, 05:43 AM

Ragnarok vs. Mathias_Ice

Game date 2410.7 (Turn 107)- I have officially surrendered to Mathias. I held off as long as I could but he busted through my Last fleet Last turn and I have nothing else. He is blockading my home world and I only have a few colonies left.

Comments - Simply put: wow! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif This was on heck of a game and I loved every minute of it. It was the most fun losing I've had on the hill. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif Mathias, you played a great game and I commend you for it. Not too much I can suggest other then what we talked about during the game. Good luck on the crest of the hill! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Asmala, please delete our game and move Mathias up and me back down with the bottom dwellers. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Thanks!

Baron Grazic

June 27th, 2003, 05:45 AM

Sorry for your loss Rags, but at least I now have an opponent. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
Standard Game, ALPU, with one of Tesco's maps for an even start?

Ragnarok

June 27th, 2003, 05:48 AM

Originally posted by Baron Grazic:
Sorry for your loss Rags, but at least I now have an opponent. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
Standard Game, ALPU, with one of Tesco's maps for an even start?Sounds good to me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Especially the even start part. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Baron Grazic

June 27th, 2003, 05:50 AM

It's a shame Asmala seems off-line, or we could be starting now... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Ragnarok

June 27th, 2003, 05:51 AM

Originally posted by Baron Grazic:
It's a shame Asmala seems off-line, or we could be starting now... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ...Give me some time to catch my breath! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif No, if he were Online that would be cool to get right into the heat of things. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Mathias_Ice

June 27th, 2003, 06:07 AM

Ragnarok vs Mathias Ice

WOW!!! What a game! I can't believe Ragnarok held out as long as he did. How did you manage to keep ahead on research? That still has me scratching my head.(The PPB V's were on their way.) Considering I controlled 3/4 of the galaxy for most of the game it seems to me I should have been able to end it sooner than I did. Chalk that up to newbie cautiousness. Ragnarok mentioned a while back that he initially felt confident about his opening position. I thought that was kind of ironic because my first thought at starting this match was "Oh no, he's gonna be right be on top me."

Thanks for a great game, Ragnarok!

"Movin' on up"

Mathias Ice

geoschmo

June 27th, 2003, 06:10 AM

You guys could always start the game yourselves. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Of course you may end up not being matched. You don't know who might have sent an email to Asmala in the mean time that might end up playing against Grazic.

Ragnarok

June 27th, 2003, 06:26 AM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
You guys could always start the game yourselves. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Of course you may end up not being matched. You don't know who might have sent an email to Asmala in the mean time that might end up playing against Grazic.Hmmm, I didn't even think of that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif That would work as long as no one else joined or other games have ended that we know about.

Originally posted by Mathias_Ice
How did you manage to keep ahead on research? That still has me scratching my head.I don't know either. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I guess I just had most of my research centers in the middle of my empire allowing me to keep researching even though you were taking out some of my outer planets. When battles were not taking place I guess I just research in a way that allowed me to get 2 or 3 techs while you were researching a bigger item? I really don't know about that one, but I did have a good research base going for me that certainly helped prolong the end. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Joachim

June 27th, 2003, 06:50 AM

Heh KOTH gang - this thread is excellent so I couldn't resist stepping out from behind the peasants and gazing upon the hill in desire...

Gandalph V Joachim

Only done my empire, just waiting on getting to my home 'puter to do the first turn. But, Empire set up was very hard, knowing that it would be quick and nasty makes for a very different empire construction! Hopefully I will learn heaps from you guys as I grub around the bottom of the hill!

Stay tuned for more peasant updates...

Baron Grazic

June 27th, 2003, 07:59 AM

Greetings to Joachim, from a fellew peasant. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Do a search for a forum called "Koth Clone" which talks about the best Koth setup. Somewhere deap in this thread would be setup options too.
Make sure you seriously think about maxing Combat Attack & Defense, Construction & Maintenance.
But then again, I'm on the bottom of the hill so that doesn't mean my setup is best http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif , and besides I am still changing my Empire from game to game...

Rags - I'm going away for the weekend, might be able to get on-line but doubt it, so start on Monday, assuming we are matched of course. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Edit - Sorry should have said Oz weekend, in about 1 hour...

[ June 27, 2003, 07:04: Message edited by: Baron Grazic ]

DavidG

June 27th, 2003, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by Baron Grazic:
Greetings to Joachim, from a fellew peasant. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Do a search for a forum called "Koth Clone" which talks about the best Koth setup. Somewhere deap in this thread would be setup options too.
Make sure you seriously think about maxing Combat Attack & Defense, Construction & Maintenance.
But then again, I'm on the bottom of the hill so that doesn't mean my setup is best http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif , and besides I am still changing my Empire from game to game...
And most important of all (IMO), assume your ships are useless cannon foder untill they are trained to 20% and in a fleet trained to 20%

DavidG

June 27th, 2003, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by geoschmo:
You guys could always start the game yourselves. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Of course you may end up not being matched. You don't know who might have sent an email to Asmala in the mean time that might end up playing against Grazic.Hmmm, I didn't even think of that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif That would work as long as no one else joined or other games have ended that we know about.
<hr /></blockquote>OH well Kazarp def. Phoenix-D. (couple days ago)

Stone Mill

June 27th, 2003, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by Joachim:
Heh KOTH gang - this thread is excellent so I couldn't resist stepping out from behind the peasants and gazing upon the hill in desire...

Gandalph V Joachim

Only done my empire, just waiting on getting to my home 'puter to do the first turn. But, Empire set up was very hard, knowing that it would be quick and nasty makes for a very different empire construction! Hopefully I will learn heaps from you guys as I grub around the bottom of the hill!

Stay tuned for more peasant updates...Welcome... and I agree with the sound advice offered by Baron and DavidG... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I'm not sure of your skill level, but Gandalph is a player that has come a looong way. If you are a beginner, at the least, you will learn quite a bit from him. There are some common tactics used on KOTH that are pretty well refined... and deadly... but it's about fun and sportsmanship. Good Luck!

[ June 27, 2003, 11:43: Message edited by: Stone Mill ]

Stone Mill

June 27th, 2003, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
Ragnarok vs. Mathias_Ice

Game date 2410.7 (Turn 107)- I have officially surrendered to Mathias. I held off as long as I could but he busted through my Last fleet Last turn and I have nothing else. He is blockading my home world and I only have a few colonies left.

Comments - Simply put: wow! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif This was on heck of a game and I loved every minute of it. It was the most fun losing I've had on the hill. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif Mathias, you played a great game and I commend you for it. Not too much I can suggest other then what we talked about during the game. Good luck on the crest of the hill! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Asmala, please delete our game and move Mathias up and me back down with the bottom dwellers. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Thanks!Rags,
Now that your match is ended... I would like to offer some thoughts, if I may...

Consider that when an attacker know he has you on the defensive, he smells blood. Especially if he knows his fleets are gaining ground despite some losses. This is a situation of eventual doom.

Consider this- a strategy called "End run," used by some of the pros here (I believe Geo and some others give good accounts). It pretty much entails giving the attacker something to worry about when he thinks he has you down and out (and he does).

This is a low percentage move, but it does throw a wrench in the works. Wage war against the enemy's planets, not his ships. Commit a portion of your defense to offense. Yes this will mean leaving a system defenseless, which you will have to fall back and make a stand deeper with whatever you can... but if you choose not to engage the attacker's fleets and give him some pain, you make the attacker make some interesting choices. You may get him to turn around and chase you. You may frag enough of his planets to hurt his economy... maybe riot... and he won't be able to afford maintanance on his once great fleets.

Anyway... a morsel to consider. Hope you don't mind. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Joachim

June 27th, 2003, 05:30 PM

Thanks for the welcomes. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
I did scan through this thread for hints - but as you know it is long. But spotted some cute ideas I will have to put into practice in my other games.
As for Empire set - I'll comment when I run into Gandalph! Turn 4 no discovery... Yet.

geoschmo

June 27th, 2003, 05:46 PM

Geoschmo vs Cheeze, 2406.9

Deja Vu all over again.

For those of you that remember my epic battle with GozGuy this one is shaping up to be something similer. Here's the map.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1056728051.bmp

All the red circles are my systems, although not every one has planets of course. Everything else I assume to be his systems, although probably not all those have planets either.

System A is one of mine for now, but Cheeze has a moderate sized fleet tearing it up and i have little in the way of defenses to stop him. System B is a Cheeze system and I have a large fleet doing the same to him. It's starting to feel like the ring around the rosey that GozGuy and I played for a while.

I believe I have been in first place for every turn, but that hasn't stopped Cheeze from dealing me several serious blows. Capturing planets, wiping out fleets, etc.

If I had to pick, I would say I have a slight advantage at this point. Mainly because I know where his Homesystem is (C) and and I have a pretty good size fleet fairly close to it. I don't know how much he has there to defend it, but I know how much I have, and I know how much he is throwing against me in the North. So for me to still be in first place he can't have all that much anywhere else. At least that's what I am telling myself. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Techwise I'd call it even. He might have a slight edge. Unfortunatly though I have allowed him to live long enough to develop his organic technology. I am starting to see organic armor and some decent Organic weapons. If that trend continues I could have some problems.

He has yet to counter a single intel project that I have thrown at him. Mostly I have been doing nuisance projects so perhaps he has just decided to ignore them. The only one that has failed was a crew insurrection I pulled on a carrier that I blew up in combat the same turn the project completed. Ah well...

Geoschmo

Ragnarok

June 27th, 2003, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by Stone Mill
Rags,
Now that your match is ended... I would like to offer some thoughts, if I may...

Consider that when an attacker know he has you on the defensive, he smells blood. Especially if he knows his fleets are gaining ground despite some losses. This is a situation of eventual doom.

Consider this- a strategy called "End run," used by some of the pros here (I believe Geo and some others give good accounts). It pretty much entails giving the attacker something to worry about when he thinks he has you down and out (and he does).

This is a low percentage move, but it does throw a wrench in the works. Wage war against the enemy's planets, not his ships. Commit a portion of your defense to offense. Yes this will mean leaving a system defenseless, which you will have to fall back and make a stand deeper with whatever you can... but if you choose not to engage the attacker's fleets and give him some pain, you make the attacker make some interesting choices. You may get him to turn around and chase you. You may frag enough of his planets to hurt his economy... maybe riot... and he won't be able to afford maintanance on his once great fleets.

Anyway... a morsel to consider. Hope you don't mind. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I will have to remember those tips. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I certainly do not mind at all and maybe they will help me get above the middle of the hill (haven't been further then there) sometime. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif I have a book writtin on KOTH stratagies basically that I look at every now and then to find new tips for myself. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Its came in handy a couple times now.

Slynky

June 27th, 2003, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Geoschmo vs Cheeze, 2406.9
Ahhhh, a MAP! Makes understanding things so much easier. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I see you have the lion's share of the galaxy but it's hard to tell what kind of planets Cheese has sunk his teeth into.

Also, interesting that Cheese is organic (pardon the pun).

Sounds like the game has some give and take in it even after Cheese's original comments that things didn't look so good.

Slynky

June 27th, 2003, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Stone Mill
Rags,
Now that your match is ended... I would like to offer some thoughts, if I may...

I certainly do not mind at all and maybe they will help me get above the middle of the hill (haven't been further then there) sometime. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif <hr /></blockquote>I certainly don't want it to seem as if I think I know it all ('cause I don't) and I certainly don't want Mathias to think all the tips to you are because we wanted you to win (it's really because you just wrote the most)...so...having said that, I'll ask this:

Since you had the tech advantage, were you in a position to convert some research to resource producers? Even 80's and 90's would have helped, I'm thinking.

Ragnarok

June 27th, 2003, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:

Since you had the tech advantage, were you in a position to convert some research to resource producers? Even 80's and 90's would have helped, I'm thinking.I used just about everything for resources towards the end. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I had some 50's and a couple 40's out there. I probably could've converted some research centers into resource producers I just didn't. Just 1 of many mistakes I made during this game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Asmala

June 27th, 2003, 09:44 PM

The KOTH page is now updated and new games created. I'll be out of town and unable to reach net till Tuesday so you'll have to wait till that before I can kick off the games.

geoschmo

June 27th, 2003, 10:23 PM

For the ones where you have already created teh game on PBW and just needs the first turn done once they get their .emp files in I can do that if you want. They can post here or email me. But as far as reporting wins/losses, updating the Koth page, or getting new opponents that can wait till you get back. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geoschmo

Asmala

June 27th, 2003, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
For the ones where you have already created teh game on PBW and just needs the first turn done once they get their .emp files in I can do that if you want. They can post here or email me. But as far as reporting wins/losses, updating the Koth page, or getting new opponents that can wait till you get back. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

GeoschmoI you can do the first turn it'll be great. I'll be away after this message so I can't redirect any game setting Messages.

Slynky

June 27th, 2003, 10:34 PM

I see I get to be paired against the 2nd highest-rated KOTH player, DavidG.

To "see" my reaction, picture tears streaming from one of Mr. Bean's (Rowan Atkinson) contorted facial expressions. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

So, the sooner it gets started, the faster I can reminisce with friends in the gully.

[ June 27, 2003, 21:35: Message edited by: Slynky ]

Slynky

June 28th, 2003, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by DavidG:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Hey Slinky. Well I think the game will go fast once started. :-D<hr /></blockquote>Well, I gotta say that gives me warm fuzzies! (not!) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Anyway, my empire is uploaded.

[ June 28, 2003, 20:10: Message edited by: Slynky ]

DavidG

June 29th, 2003, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
I see I get to be paired against the 2nd highest-rated KOTH player, DavidG.

To "see" my reaction, picture tears streaming from one of Mr. Bean's (Rowan Atkinson) contorted facial expressions. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

So, the sooner it gets started, the faster I can reminisce with friends in the gully.Hey Slinky. Well I think the game will go fast once started. But I'm on vactaion till tuesday. I may get a turn or 2 in before then but not a whole lot. :-D

Slynky

June 29th, 2003, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by DavidG:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Slynky:
I see I get to be paired against the 2nd highest-rated KOTH player, DavidG.

To "see" my reaction, picture tears streaming from one of Mr. Bean's (Rowan Atkinson) contorted facial expressions. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

So, the sooner it gets started, the faster I can reminisce with friends in the gully.Hey Slinky. Well I think the game will go fast once started. But I'm on vactaion till tuesday. I may get a turn or 2 in before then but not a whole lot. :-D<hr /></blockquote>Well, let's at least agree on KOTH setup so I can make an empire and then ask Geo to start it off so I can stare at some planets for a while. BTW, I prefer standard KOTH start but am open to some slight alterations if you have any.

Joachim

June 29th, 2003, 09:11 AM

Gandalph Vs Joachim.

Pop! Ah the beautiful sound of the cork coming from a bottle of Henschke Shiraz 2374. Praetor Joachim smiles across the stunningly set table, covered in flowers and glinting silverware - "My dear?"
"Of course - I love that drop." Responded tonights entertainment.
The deep purple Shiraz glided into the Crystal...
"PRAETOR!" Blurted Count Vrule as he burst into the private dining room.
"I said dont disturb me!".
"It is true the prophecy is correct - we are not alone."
"What?"
"We have encountered a ship in the Ephandra system. It fired upon our scientific ship which returned fire. The Alien ship is bigger than our explorers but seems to have very similar systems. Both ships sustained damage. Fortunately Captain Alowitios damaged it more than it hurt him."
Praetor Joachim grabbed the cyrstal glass and turned to dash to the Cabinet room, thinking ahead he spun back and grabbed the bottle - this could be a long meeting.

{OCC} We found each other 13 turns in. Gandalph is very Berseker. I am similar but to a lesser extent. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Baron Grazic

June 30th, 2003, 04:54 AM

Geo, if you have a spare moment http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif , can you setup the first turn for "K.O.T.H. Grazic vs Warlord Ragnarok".
Standand ALPU Game with one of Tesco's maps.
Thanks...

geoschmo

June 30th, 2003, 04:55 AM

Ok, refresh my memory where Tesco posted the maps?

Geoschmo

Slynky

June 30th, 2003, 04:58 AM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Ok, refresh my memory where Tesco posted the maps?

GeoschmoGosh, I don't know, Geo. Without looking back in a search, didn't he say if you wanted them to contact him? (my memory is bad)

geoschmo

June 30th, 2003, 05:03 AM

I found them. He posted them in the PBW map library. Damn him for putting them where they belong. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

tesco samoa

June 30th, 2003, 05:08 AM

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Baron Grazic

June 30th, 2003, 05:09 AM

Ta to Geo & Tesco.
Here goes another game, and I look forward to Rags updates. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ June 30, 2003, 04:10: Message edited by: Baron Grazic ]

Grandpa Kim

June 30th, 2003, 05:47 AM

Grandpakim vs. Gozguy

Well, it's finally becoming clear why I've had such and easy time with the Goz. His end of the map is littered with nebula systems and a smattering of asteroids and black holes. Lack of useful systems is spelling his deathknell. Right now, the only thing holding me back is the slow speed of my lead fleets. Six fleets are now closing in on his Last five systems. Not long now...

Slynky

June 30th, 2003, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
I found them. He posted them in the PBW map library. Damn him for putting them where they belong. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Don't you HATE that? Happens in our house all the time (when I am looking for something). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ June 30, 2003, 21:37: Message edited by: Slynky ]

Ragnarok

June 30th, 2003, 06:18 AM

Originally posted by Baron Grazic:
Ta to Geo & Tesco.
Here goes another game, and I look forward to Rags updates. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif You're just going to pick out every detail you can to exploit me I know it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Baron Grazic

June 30th, 2003, 06:29 AM

As long as we both know it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
Want to know why you are in first place?
I did a rooke mistake, told my Home World to emergency build a colony ship and forgot to 'Repeat build' it, only noticed after 4 turns. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Ragnarok

June 30th, 2003, 06:36 AM

Originally posted by Baron Grazic:
As long as we both know it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
Want to know why you are in first place?
I did a rooke mistake, told my Home World to emergency build a colony ship and forgot to 'Repeat build' it, only noticed after 4 turns. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif Oh man, that stinks. For you at least. For me that is kind of nice. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Edit: I need sleep, it's been a long day. I'll get more turns in tomorrow Baron. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ June 30, 2003, 05:38: Message edited by: Ragnarok ]

Baron Grazic

June 30th, 2003, 06:47 AM

Cool, thanks for informing me.
14 turns in 1.5 hours - good start...

sparhawk

June 30th, 2003, 10:58 PM

Sparhawk's Empire (Sparhawk) -vs- Kif Hegemony (Mark the Merciful)

Please put mark one place up. And me at the bottom.
This week was somewhat busy for me, and I totally lost focus on the game. Also sorry to mark for the sometimes slow turn from my side.
It was a nice game, but he got faster mines on strategical point and that probally was my dead.
He was now attacking me from two sides, where I have no ships present.
And with the talismal he's got a winner.
So therefore I will not longer struggle to get more turn, because he would win in the end...I think..

Have Fun.

sparhawk

Slynky

June 30th, 2003, 11:39 PM

Well, SparHawk, I think Mark is a good player. Very good. I think he will be hard to beat, with or without losing concentration... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ). You just can't make any mistakes playing against him! I feel good that I Lasted over a hundred turns with him!

But games with people like him help you learn and get better. And have fun along the way. And, besides winning ( http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ), that's what it's all about.

primitive

July 1st, 2003, 12:20 AM

Primitive climbs the final steps to the top of the hill. He finds a strange little man called Mark the Merciful already waiting. A saint ?
It does not matter if its a Lord, a Saint or the Viking King himself, the rusty (yet pointy) spear of Primitive do not discriminate.

Primitive VS Lord Chane
Lord Chane surrenders at turn 55. I clearly had the best starting position, as well as the home cort advantage in the first major battle. He jumped into my system just when I was gathering my forces for the jump. If he had waited 2 turns I would have gone first and everything could have been very different. I wish him better luck on his way up the hill again.

Mark:
Think it's us now. What about a Tesco Map ?

Asmala

July 1st, 2003, 01:23 AM

I'm back again, KOTH page updated and new games created http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Thanks for Geoschmo uploading the first turn to some games.

Ragnarok

July 1st, 2003, 02:34 AM

Ragnarok vs. Baron Grazic

2401.6 - Still no meeting of empires yet (as too be expected using Tescos maps)
First place went back and forth for awhile but now Baron has held first for a few turns in a row. Expansion and exploration are still going on and planets are developing nicely. In my home system of !*@&#^$% is...ya right, you think I'm going to give out information about it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
More reports will come as turns progress.

Baron, you should do reports from your viewpoint as well. You usually are the "reporter" for your games so I know you can do it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Rojero

July 1st, 2003, 02:50 AM

Hey is there something wrong? I cant download my turn file against Gecko http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
Gecko i hope your reading this...i tried to extract it says no archives... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[ July 01, 2003, 01:52: Message edited by: Rojero ]

Ragnarok

July 1st, 2003, 04:11 AM

Originally posted by Rojero:
Hey is there something wrong? I cant download my turn file against Gecko http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
Gecko i hope your reading this...i tried to extract it says no archives... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif Try downloading the files again. Sometimes you can get corrupted files. In which case you just download them again and all should be fine. If you continuously have problems then post again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Baron Grazic

July 1st, 2003, 04:26 AM

Ragnarok's "Baron Chasers! Federation" vs. Baron Grazic's "EEEvil EEEmpire"

2402.2 - I Agree with Rags, in stating that no meeting of empires has yet occurred, to the benefit of the EEEvil EEEmpire.

The insane EEEmperer Grazic is living up to being the most insane member of the EEEvil EEEmpire. First he starts off having the Home World emergency build nothing, then while carefully watching the Mineral Balance, he forgets to look at the Rads and has to scrap 20 Space Stations (well perhaps not that many but a bit of misinformation won't hurt http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ) then he double uploads the same turn... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

The EEEvil EEEmpire has heard a whisper on the solar winds, and we will continue looking for the source so that our ships "everLasting gobstopper", "kenny's dEEEad again!" and not forgetting our most insane ship of the fleet, "n'sync's rEEEvenge" can stop the noise...

Edit:- 2403.5 - Contact made with the Baron Chasers! Federation, in almost the centre of the Galaxy - Nice name Rags, but it won't help. {Fingers & Toes crossed} http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ July 01, 2003, 04:47: Message edited by: Baron Grazic ]

Geckomlis

July 1st, 2003, 05:50 AM

Originally posted by Rojero:
Hey is there something wrong? I cant download my turn file against Gecko http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
Gecko i hope your reading this...i tried to extract it says no archives... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif All of my turns downloaded/uploaded OK as far as I know... I have experienced no diffculties. If you still can not extract, we can send a note to Asmala to rerun the turn due to corrupted file(s). He should be back Tuesday sometime. Let me know.

BTW: I check my email regulary, so that is another reliable method for contacting me.

Gecko

Ragnarok

July 1st, 2003, 06:31 AM

Ragnarok's "Baron Chasers! Federation" vs. Baron Grazic's "EEEvil EEEmpire"

2404.1 - We finally met a few turns ago towards the center of the map. He took out my colony ship with a classy named ship "Pain". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif I then sent my fleet down to one of my systems to protect against any possible threats in that area. A couple turns go by and nothing happens. A turn or two ago he came into another system occupied by me (different section of the map then where we first met) with 2 ships; aptly named "Big Ship" and "Pain". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Then in the area we first met he tried to enter my system only to be stopped my my fleet. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif He lost while I only took damage to one of my ships. (9%/1 component) And that is how it currently stands. I have held first place for quite a few turns now.

Things should prove to be interesting. I am worried for a couple reasons but I cannot let those be known at this time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Rojero

July 1st, 2003, 06:34 AM

ok thanks i got it downloaded...it could be that gecko was trying to whack me since i am such a new at PBW hehe

Baron Grazic

July 1st, 2003, 06:40 AM

Would the reason be, that besides the colony in the Ishantrissti System, the EEEvil flEEEts now hold more than 50% of the galaxy? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif
At least we hold it for now, who knows if you fleet has the power to take back the southern system?

Ragnarok

July 1st, 2003, 06:42 AM

Originally posted by Baron Grazic:
Would the reason be, that besides the colony in the Ishantrissti System, the EEEvil flEEEts now hold more than 50% of the galaxy? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif
At least we hold it for now, who knows if you fleet has the power to take back the southern system?I am not currently at liberty to say what the reason is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif But you don't hold more then 50% of the galaxy, you just have cut me off from the rest. Once you have colonies in EACH system over there then you will hold it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Mark the Merciful

July 1st, 2003, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by sparhawk:
Sparhawk's Empire (Sparhawk) -vs- Kif Hegemony (Mark the Merciful)

Please put mark one place up. And me at the bottom.
This week was somewhat busy for me, and I totally lost focus on the game. Also sorry to mark for the sometimes slow turn from my side.
It was a nice game, but he got faster mines on strategical point and that probally was my dead.
He was now attacking me from two sides, where I have no ships present.
And with the talismal he's got a winner.
So therefore I will not longer struggle to get more turn, because he would win in the end...I think..

Have Fun.

sparhawk"If God is for us, who can be against us?"

This was a really interesting map because there were no chokepoints, so we both had to guard or attack through at least four warp points at any one time.

We spent turns 20-35 (ish) skirmishing between my Colony ships and ramships and Sparhawks armed scouts, and I think I came ahead out of that, forcing myself into systems Sparhawk would like to have claimed. Then I managed to get minefields laid in strategic locations, solidifying my advantage.

I also seemed to have developed a big economic lead, because I'd expected that Sparhawk would be able to put something nasty together with the time and research points (825,000 of them) that I spent getting to Talisman tech. But in fact, when I got my first attack fleets together (Light Cruisers with DUC V, PDC IV, ECM II, Talismans and Armor) and started advancing (around turn 50), I was only running into Destroyers with DUC IIIs.

It's now turn 55, and as well as the two fleets Sparhawk's seen, there'll be another arriving next turn, and another the turn after that. So if he doesn't have a huge fleet hidden behind his lines (which is what I was assuming), then the game is indeed over.

Thanks Sparhawk, it was fun. I hope it was for you too!

Mark

Mark the Merciful

July 1st, 2003, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:
Well, SparHawk, I think Mark is a good player. Very good. I think he will be hard to beat, with or without losing concentration... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ). You just can't make any mistakes playing against him! I feel good that I Lasted over a hundred turns with him!

But games with people like him help you learn and get better. And have fun along the way. And, besides winning ( http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ), that's what it's all about.Why, thank you sir!

Mark the Merciful

July 1st, 2003, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by primitive:
Primitive climbs the final steps to the top of the hill. He finds a strange little man called Mark the Merciful already waiting. A saint ?
It does not matter if its a Lord, a Saint or the Viking King himself, the rusty (yet pointy) spear of Primitive do not discriminate.

<snip>

Mark:
Think it's us now. What about a Tesco Map ?Aren't rusty spears a violation of the Geneva Conventions?

I haven't seen Tesco's maps or any discussion about them (I think they happened before I started playing KOTH). Can I take a look at one or two examples before I agree, or are we supposed to play them sight unseen?

tesco samoa

July 1st, 2003, 03:40 PM

Hi Mark there are 25 maps...

There is 4 starting places set at 'any'

They are small maps and designed to place the players at meeting each other either by turn 10 or 20 turns later... depending on the location... So that surprise is still there.

The maps are available for download at the pbw site their called koth maps...

Slynky

July 1st, 2003, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Hi Mark there are 25 maps...

There is 4 starting places set at 'any'

They are small maps and designed to place the players at meeting each other either by turn 10 or 20 turns later... depending on the location... So that surprise is still there.

The maps are available for download at the pbw site their called koth maps...Tesco, I can't remember, were those maps generated with SE (standard) or with the TDM Mod?

Cheeze

July 1st, 2003, 05:30 PM

KOTH Geo vs Cheeze - Turn 2408.7

The Flora had suffered massive setbacks, and it seemed the Reaper (hehe) was coming for certain. The Flora prepared several Last stand defenses, but it was clear that the Memnorak were far too superior in combat, and that was without their great advantage in numbers. An unexpected positive result in a crucial skirmish delayed the Memnorak advance, when their warfleet engaged three Flora fighter wings. A support convoy had met the warships but the fighters were between them, and one group of brave fighters swept into the support craft and did far more damage than expected. Three important colonies fell to the Memnorak, but went down in some great battles.

The Flora have devised new plans. When roots and tendrils cannot go through rock, they find ways to under or around it, and then wear the hard surface away. It apppears that some unexpected attacks have born fruit, and the Flora have taken root in some Imperium colonies.

Ragnarok

July 1st, 2003, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:
Tesco, I can't remember, were those maps generated with SE (standard) or with the TDM Mod?What would that have to do with anything? Or are you speaking of FQM Mod?
TDM will generate the same maps that standard SE does as it only changes the AI. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ July 01, 2003, 16:33: Message edited by: Ragnarok ]

primitive

July 1st, 2003, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by Mark the Merciful:
Aren't rusty spears a violation of the Geneva Conventions?

I haven't seen Tesco's maps or any discussion about them (I think they happened before I started playing KOTH). Can I take a look at one or two examples before I agree, or are we supposed to play them sight unseen?Rusty (yet pointy) spears are listed as WMDs: Weapons of Messy Disembowelment.

I browsed through some of the Tesco maps a while back, and most (but not all) are larger and looks better (and fairer) than the average random map.
It's all up to you, I am happy with any setup http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Send me a message/mail with your decision.

Primitive

Slynky

July 1st, 2003, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Slynky:
Tesco, I can't remember, were those maps generated with SE (standard) or with the TDM Mod?What would that have to do with anything? Or are you speaking of FQM Mod?
TDM will generate the same maps that standard SE does as it only changes the AI. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <hr /></blockquote>Yeah, FQM (*slaps self*).

The difference in them is planet/atmosphere generation. And the number of moons (etc.) FQM generates. I just wondered if Tesco used FQM to generate the maps and that people who might not be familiar with them might want to take a hard look before deciding on their empire setup.

Of course, if the Tesco Maps were generated with standard SE Gold...I'll have to do my best impersonation of Gilda Radner saying, "Never mind!". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Mark the Merciful

July 2nd, 2003, 12:00 AM

OK Asmala, could you set me and Primitive up with a new game based on one of Tesco's maps. Otherwise, standard settings.

That OK with you, Primitive?

Mark

Slynky

July 2nd, 2003, 01:07 AM

Slynky -vs- Kazarp 2401.1

I just sent a colony ship to colonize a planet in a nearby system. Noticed when I clicked on it that there was writing. So, I read it (duh!)

Seems like the game was generated with ruins in it. So, I looked around at all the planets (I can colonize) in systems where I am colonizing and noticed another one.

Now, you and I both know lots of times you get those "massive" things that aren't worth anything in this game. On the other hand, sometimes you get other colonizing techs and other stuff that could make a difference in the game, like shields and weapons.

So, I would suggest we keep the same empires/PBW game and get Asmala to generate another game for us. I'd hate to add any more luck to the game than there already is.

geoschmo

July 2nd, 2003, 02:10 AM

I could have sworn I had that option turned off when I made the first turn. THis is one I did isnt' it?

tesco samoa

July 2nd, 2003, 02:52 AM

Hi. The maps are stock... like koth...

Slynky

July 2nd, 2003, 02:54 AM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
I could have sworn I had that option turned off when I made the first turn. THis is one I did isnt' it?Yeah, Geo, just shows ya what happens when you try to do a good deed... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif . They have a saying about that, I beleive.

I used to do it all the time and couldn't figure out why. Then I realized I was generating a map (and deciding it looked really interesting) and THEN as I worked my way down, turned off Ruins. (after the map had been generated).

tesco samoa

July 2nd, 2003, 02:57 AM

hmmmmm.... Koth Hakiu

Battles of One
Sleeps with the Fishes
Victory Koth.

Ragnarok

July 2nd, 2003, 05:07 AM

Ragnarok's "Baron Chasers! Federation" vs. Baron Grazic's "EEEvil EEEmpire"

2405.1 - Nothing exciting has really happened the Last few turns. I am still in first place and have been for along time now. But as I've said many times before that never means anything. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif Our empires continue to grow in many different ways. In one system that Baron and I share he has a fleet of 9 ships building at the warp point that I imagine is mined to the teeth and he is colonizing some planets in that system as well. Other then that it has been slow goings and I'm sure battles will begin to flare in the next few turns. Who will take the risk to start off we have yet to see. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

sparhawk

July 2nd, 2003, 09:12 AM

Asmala, KOTH Phoenix-d vs sparhawk will be a default map with one starting planet.

thanks

sparhawk

Rollo

July 2nd, 2003, 02:30 PM

hmm.. more KOTH haiku

In the King's throne room
Drunken Vikings are restless
Eager to fight more

[ July 02, 2003, 13:31: Message edited by: Rollo ]

primitive

July 2nd, 2003, 03:35 PM

Eager to fight more
to Valhalla vikings go
A new king will come

Stone Mill

July 2nd, 2003, 03:48 PM

An old ghost lingers
Elvis Sightings! Is he dead?
A vanquished king plots.

Mathias_Ice

July 2nd, 2003, 03:50 PM

Who is this Georgig? Are we playing standard KOTH settings? I see you have uploaded an empire. I have tried to contact you a couple of times via email but to no avail. I am looking forward to getting this ball rolling. Please let me know either here or via email. Thanks.

Mathias Ice

Mathias_Ice

July 2nd, 2003, 04:00 PM

Oh yeah, and I haven't see an update on the BBegemott vs Krsqk match, how goes that fight? I was kind of hoping for a rematch vs one of the people who defeated me earlier (Krsqk and Sparhawk.) Hoping the rematch would occur up the hill and not down the hill. I was hoping more for the Sparhawk rematch as that was a 15 round or so defeat, but I see he is down the hill.

Slynky

July 2nd, 2003, 05:06 PM

DavidG: Waiting on your input about what to do with our game. Asmala will be on in a few hours and can generate a new map if you want to go with my suggestion. Otherwise, what are your thoughts?

BBegemott

July 2nd, 2003, 07:18 PM

BBegemott - Krsqk (2400.1)

Though the game started 2 weeks ago, there isn't much to say about it without revealing our secrets. We haven't met yet.

We are going to beat 'the slowest start record' I think http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif damned RL problems. Firstly I had some PC problems. After solving them we made one turn and Krsqk hard drive crashed or smth like that. Now I'm waiting for him. In addition to all of this my vacation starts ~07.14.
It is going to be a slow game, but it's OK with me.

DavidG

July 2nd, 2003, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:
DavidG: Waiting on your input about what to do with our game. Asmala will be on in a few hours and can generate a new map if you want to go with my suggestion. Otherwise, what are your thoughts?Anyway you want is OK with me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Slynky

July 2nd, 2003, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by DavidG:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Slynky:
DavidG: Waiting on your input about what to do with our game. Asmala will be on in a few hours and can generate a new map if you want to go with my suggestion. Otherwise, what are your thoughts?Anyway you want is OK with me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <hr /></blockquote>Then, Asmala, could you go ahead and roll another standard map for us with the standard KOTH setup and start the game over? (thanks!)

geoschmo

July 2nd, 2003, 09:37 PM

Ok, so the reason the game got messed up is I used Tesco's Maps? Tesco, since Koth is no ruins by default your maps should not have ruins. If you want to make some new ones up I can replace the file on PBW with the new maps.

Geoschmo

[ July 02, 2003, 20:39: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Asmala

July 2nd, 2003, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:
Then, Asmala, could you go ahead and roll another standard map for us with the standard KOTH setup and start the game over? (thanks!)Game restarted.

Geo, I think Slynky is right. There are ruins also in my game against Rex but it doesn't matter.

eorg

July 2nd, 2003, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by Mathias_Ice:
Who is this Georgig? Are we playing standard KOTH settings? I see you have uploaded an empire. I have tried to contact you a couple of times via email but to no avail. I am looking forward to getting this ball rolling. Please let me know either here or via email. Thanks.

Mathias Icemy empire was uploaded long ago and i am waiting for you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

copy of my e-mail to you:

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ok :-)

asmala, please, make it very standart http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

georgig

Original message: Saturday, June 28, 2003, 4:11:44 AM

MI> I'd prefer standard setup for my first run up the hill. Maybe I'll get creative on my
MI> next shot up, but for know I'm thinking "Go with what you know." From the looks of it we
MI> can't get started
MI> until Tuesday.

MI>

MI> Mathias Ice

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another e-mail sent to you today http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

thanks to fyron for reading every Last word here :-P

Slynky

July 2nd, 2003, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Ok, so the reason the game got messed up is I used Tesco's Maps? Tesco, since Koth is no ruins by default your maps should not have ruins. If you want to make some new ones up I can replace the file on PBW with the new maps.

GeoschmoIf you are talking about my game, I didn't ask for Tesco maps. And I don't think DavidG/Kazarp did either. I just assumed you generated it from scratch.

geoschmo

July 2nd, 2003, 11:08 PM

Come on guys, work with me. I am trying to find a reason why this isn't my fault. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Mark the Merciful

July 3rd, 2003, 12:13 AM

Do Tesco's maps definitely have ruins on them? If so, I want to reconsider my earlier statement about our game start.

Mathias_Ice

July 3rd, 2003, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by georgig:
my empire was uploaded long ago and i am waiting for you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
How strange, I still haven't gotten the email. Anyway, uploading my Empire now. I guess if you need to message me for some reason post a PM here.

FIGHT!!! FIGHT!!! FIGHT!!!

Mathias Ice

eorg

July 3rd, 2003, 12:35 AM

folks this is for fun and who cares anyway about the map - when the players play on the same map i assume :-P

Slynky

July 3rd, 2003, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by georgig:
folks this is for fun and who cares anyway about the map - when the players play on the same map i assume :-PWell, as I said, there were ruins (standard KOTH startup specifies "no ruins") on planets. 2 planets that I could colonize in the next 4 turns. Having ruins adds more luck to the game than is needed.

In the interest of fairness, I asked for a restart. I did this even though I had 6 colonizable planets in my starting home system, 2 HUGE breathables and a SMALL breathable. Not something I see every game.

Slynky

July 3rd, 2003, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Come on guys, work with me. I am trying to find a reason why this isn't my fault. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Well, now that I think back on it a bit, I believe you are right, Geo. I think I was the one who made the mistake...I apologize profusely ( http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

Baron Grazic

July 3rd, 2003, 01:36 AM

The Tesco's map that we are using does have Ruins. We have colonised 4 Ruin planets and discovered "Massive Engine" and "Massive Shield" Destroying Weapons and nothing on the other 2.
Might need to remake the maps, Tesco.

Ragnarok's "Baron Chasers! Federation" vs. Baron Grazic's "EEEvil EEEmpire"

2406.1 - Still no action in our game yet. The EEEvil EEEmpire is still in second place, and has been for some time.

In the one system we share, the EEEvil EEEmpire has 3 colonies, and a 17 ship strong fleet, with more ships incoming, while the Baron Chasers have only 1 Colony.

The Baron Chasers have attempted to explore furhter into EEEvil territory and have discovered a few minefields, and in the only warp point that wasn't mined, ran into our Ship Capture fleet. Thanks for the Tech Rags. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Secret details (No peeking Rags) = Although Warlord Ragnarok "imagines that the warp point is mined to the teeth" we have been very slow in discovering mines, only just launching a few mines before his scouts hit them and this is is the resaon we haven't attacked. This will be rectified very soon... Didn't I tell t=you not to look Rags. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Slynky

July 3rd, 2003, 03:41 AM

Originally posted by Cheeze:
KOTH Geo vs Cheeze - Turn 2408.7

The Flora had suffered massive setbacks, and it seemed the Reaper (hehe) was coming for certain. The Flora prepared several Last stand defenses, but it was clear that the Memnorak were far too superior in combat, and that was without their great advantage in numbers. An unexpected positive result in a crucial skirmish delayed the Memnorak advance, when their warfleet engaged three Flora fighter wings. A support convoy had met the warships but the fighters were between them, and one group of brave fighters swept into the support craft and did far more damage than expected. Three important colonies fell to the Memnorak, but went down in some great battles.

The Flora have devised new plans. When roots and tendrils cannot go through rock, they find ways to under or around it, and then wear the hard surface away. It apppears that some unexpected attacks have born fruit, and the Flora have taken root in some Imperium colonies.For a game that seemed at an end around turn 40, it's still going!!! This is getting interesting!

Slynky

July 3rd, 2003, 03:46 AM

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
Ragnarok vs. Baron Grazic

2401.6 - Still no meeting of empires yet (as too be expected using Tescos maps)
First place went back and forth for awhile but now Baron has held first for a few turns in a row. Expansion and exploration are still going on and planets are developing nicely. In my home system of !*@&#^$% is...ya right, you think I'm going to give out information about it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
More reports will come as turns progress.

Baron, you should do reports from your viewpoint as well. You usually are the "reporter" for your games so I know you can do it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif This could be interesting... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif . Could be like some of those comedies I see on on TV from time-to-time where they show sequence of events from the different perspectives of the actors...each telling an entirely different story...hence the comedy... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Taera

July 3rd, 2003, 03:47 AM

ok, now i want to give it a try aswell -- sounds fun! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif explain me in a couple of words how what works?

Slynky

July 3rd, 2003, 03:52 AM

Originally posted by Taera:
ok, now i want to give it a try aswell -- sounds fun! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif explain me in a couple of words how what works?You want to take the plunge? Best time ever! Take a look around and see which "combat" thread gets as much interest and participation as this one.

So, join the fun!

Taera

July 3rd, 2003, 04:00 AM

as i said, sounds like fun http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif how do you do that? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky

July 3rd, 2003, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by Taera:
as i said, sounds like fun http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif how do you do that? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Stick your name in (I think you just did that... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )...and I'll call you. Of course, I need a telephone number. PM me and tell me a good time to chat a bit. (my dime)

[ July 03, 2003, 03:22: Message edited by: Slynky ]

Taera

July 3rd, 2003, 04:25 AM

sent

Ragnarok

July 3rd, 2003, 04:42 AM

I couldn't help but read Baron...It was just too tempting to pass up. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Ragnarok's "Baron Chasers! Federation" vs. Baron Grazic's "EEEvil EEEmpire"

2406.8 - Well a few (3 or 4) turns ago I made my first charge into Baron territory with one of my smaller fleets. I made my way into his system to find a few colonies and a fleet of similar size just slightly smaller. I attack and get wiped out. Only to realize I forgot to train my fleet before it left for battle. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif I'm assuming that Baron had trained his fleet and that is why he whooped me up so bad but he also had some superior(not by much though) technology then myself. I really didn't mind losing that fleet as I needed the maintenance room for larger more advanced fleets anyways. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

More updates to come...

Taera

July 3rd, 2003, 05:11 AM

uh oh, the cold war of (dis)information http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

thanks slynky, well, Taera here, all set and ready to umm... CONQUER! thats right! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
wonder who'll be my first match...

Ragnarok

July 3rd, 2003, 05:16 AM

Originally posted by Taera:
uh oh, the cold war of (dis)information http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

thanks slynky, well, Taera here, all set and ready to umm... CONQUER! thats right! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
wonder who'll be my first match...Well, according to the league page it will be Lord Chane. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif But I don't know when Last update was made. I'm sure not too long ago.

Edit: If you don't know already, the page can be found here. Yes, here. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif (http://koti.mbnet.fi/asmala/koth/)

[ July 03, 2003, 04:17: Message edited by: Ragnarok ]

Slynky

July 3rd, 2003, 05:22 AM

Originally posted by Taera:
uh oh, the cold war of (dis)information http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

thanks slynky, well, Taera here, all set and ready to umm... CONQUER! thats right! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
wonder who'll be my first match...Well, I hope you have fun. As I said in the phone call, I'm not the best player around...that's for sure, but I know a few tips. And let us know how you're doing with some updates...I can promise you I will read them as I read ALL of them.

Baron Grazic

July 3rd, 2003, 05:27 AM

Ragnarok's "Baron Chasers! Federation" vs. Baron Grazic's "EEEvil EEEmpire"

2407.1 - After the success of the EEEvil's first battle against the "Baron Chasers", the EEEvil's Northern Fleet attcked the Colony of Ishantrissti IX. This planet being a Huge, Breathable colony of the "Baron Chashers", we were prepared for Weapon Platforms, fighters and mines. The Northern Fleet was so surprised to find only 38 mines, they almost forgot to destroy the colony... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
{1 Point to Rags, for winning that mind game round}

The EEEvil EEEmpire once again takes their rightful first place, they claims over 50% of the galaxy and have 2 well trained fleets of over 100 Battleships in each...

{No looking Rags, you promised}
PS. Well perhaps you should halve the number of ships.
PPS. When I say Battleships, I really mean - Light Cruisers.
PPPS. Well mostly Light Cruisers. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Baron Grazic

July 3rd, 2003, 05:36 AM

Welcome aboard Taera.
Get ready for some fast action...

Ragnarok

July 3rd, 2003, 06:23 AM

Ragnarok's "Baron Chasers! Federation" vs. Baron Grazic's "EEEvil EEEmpire"

2407.9 - Baron came into one of my systems 3 turns ago with a large fleet. (80 plus ships IIRC)
I was at a planet training my fleet of 55 ships or so, so I sent them after him and 2 turns later battle takes place only to increase his fleet size to 92 ships. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif Did I mention I hate boarding parties?! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif I have nothing large enough to stop Baron now. It looks to be the first time I will not go past 100 turns in the whole tourney, unless I force Baron to chase me all over the place to take out all my planets but that'd just be cheesey. So as soon as my Last fleet is dead it is surrender time I do believe.

One thing that hurt me is my home system. It had nothing but my home planet in it. It is complete empty except for the 17 asteriod fields in it. So it took along time for me to get my empire developing. It took 2 turns just to get out of my home system (6 spaces from warp point) and then hardly any GOOD planets around. Also being cut off so soon hurt, the way this map was set up made it to where there were 2 choke points cutting me off from rest of map; and they were way too close to my home system for comfort. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Oh well, it was a fun game and I learned alot from my mistakes that I made. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Kudos to Baron for the game and I wish him the best up the hill.

Asmala, be ready to move Grazic up soon as this game should be over soon. If not tonight then tomorrow night for sure. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Ragnarok

July 3rd, 2003, 06:39 AM

Ragnarok's "Baron Chasers! Federation" vs. Baron Grazic's "EEEvil EEEmpire"

2408.1 - Not much to report this soon after my Last one. But I have officially surrendered to Baron. It was alot of fun and I enjoyed getting beat soundly. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif My streak of games for consecutive games played with at least 100 turns has finally come to an end. And it's all Barons fault! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif
Once again, I thank you Baron for a well played game.

Asmala, match me up with someone else when you have the time. Thanks... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Baron Grazic

July 3rd, 2003, 07:00 AM

Thanks for the great game Rags, and sorry to break your record. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I think I still hold the record for the shortest game however - 8 turns - 1.49 Koth game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

I have got to admit that luck played highly in this game. I thought I had a bad start, with only 1 Tiny Done colony in my Home System, 2 small domed worlds in the system to the West & a small, medium & large domed worlds to the North. Looking at Rags starting possition, I had a great start.

{Tesco - Do you want to check that map, starting with your Home World in an asteroid belt, doesn't seem fair}

The reason I won? I went straight for Ship Capture, ignoring Mines, and luckily got the middle before Ragnarok could mine it. Big gamble but it paid off this time...

I noticed Ragnarok had out researched me extensively, when I saw Cruisers, ECMs, Combat Sensors, Armor against my LCs with DUCs only. But I had gambled by researching Ice Colonisation.

The third big gamble I took was joining my 2 fleets into the 80 plus ships. This left both my front systems defenseless. The fleet was highly trained but most ships were supporting DUC 3-5s. Everytime we fought I seemed to have first attack, allowing my boarders to capture his ships.

Great game Warlord Ragnarok, sorry that everytime we rolled the dice, I got the sixes. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky

July 3rd, 2003, 03:29 PM

Dundas Redneck Clan (Kazarp) -vs- Trithian Empire (Slynky) 2402.3

First contact. We each have an escort looking at each other from opposite wormholes.

Not much else to report. We've swapped 1st and 2nd place through much of the first turns (as colony ships came and went) but I've been in 2nd now for several turns.

I thought my home system sucked a bit but then I read about Rags' start and won't complain as much as I was going to ( http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ). Two warp lines out of my home systems each leading to "nothing" systems. Then a 3rd and a 4th system elsewhere with nothing (ugh!). But I've managed to find some places and at least my home system had a few available planets.

Stone Mill

July 3rd, 2003, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by Baron Grazic:
Thanks for the great game Rags, and sorry to break your record. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I think I still hold the record for the shortest game however - 8 turns - 1.49 Koth game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

I have got to admit that luck played highly in this game. I thought I had a bad start, with only 1 Tiny Done colony in my Home System, 2 small domed worlds in the system to the West & a small, medium & large domed worlds to the North. Looking at Rags starting possition, I had a great start.

{Tesco - Do you want to check that map, starting with your Home World in an asteroid belt, doesn't seem fair}

The reason I won? I went straight for Ship Capture, ignoring Mines, and luckily got the middle before Ragnarok could mine it. Big gamble but it paid off this time...

I noticed Ragnarok had out researched me extensively, when I saw Cruisers, ECMs, Combat Sensors, Armor against my LCs with DUCs only. But I had gambled by researching Ice Colonisation.

The third big gamble I took was joining my 2 fleets into the 80 plus ships. This left both my front systems defenseless. The fleet was highly trained but most ships were supporting DUC 3-5s. Everytime we fought I seemed to have first attack, allowing my boarders to capture his ships.

Great game Warlord Ragnarok, sorry that everytime we rolled the dice, I got the sixes. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Nice game fellas... I often find that these matches are very replayable (they don't get boring) because of the gambles and guesses.

Do I go on the attack and leave a system defenseless?

Do I forego critical tech areas (mines) to get an edge in another field?

Nice accounts. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Slynky

July 3rd, 2003, 06:47 PM

OK KOTHers, there are some really interesting games brewing at the Top of The Hill:

Asmala -vs- RexTorres
Primitive -vs- Mark the Merciful

As we all know (well, IF you read the threads... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ), Asmala, or the young upstart as he was dubbed as he made his way swiftly up the hill, battled Stone and lost in an incredible game. Now, he's on his way back. And RexTorres, whose reputation has been known for years as an expert player. This should be a great match-up!

Then, but not to dimminish, there is the rusty spear of the Primitive one -vs- the uppity English attitude of the mercililess one! Mark is undefeated in KOTH and Primitive is brutal. I have played (and lost to) both.

I don't know about everyone else, but I demand updates! ( http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

Oh, and not to turn it into any kind of national pride or anything...only one of those four live in the US. Says a LOT for the wonderful international community we have here!

[ July 03, 2003, 17:49: Message edited by: Slynky ]

tbontob

July 3rd, 2003, 07:07 PM

Hmmm...

Reading the Baron Grazic vs Ragnarok game I wonder if there would be any interest in a "mirror image universe".

Rags starting in a asteroid belt is a definite disadvantage unless his opponent found himself in the same situation.

Taking nothing away from the well deserved victory of Baron Grazic, a very good player could find himself losing to a novice player in a game in which the novice player has the advantage of the setup.

Taking the reverse, the novice can find himself slaughtered within a very short time if the very experience player has the advantage of the setup.

Games like chess and checkers have a mirror image set-up and except for the advantage given to the player who has the first move, winning the game is very dependant upon knowledge and experience.

Slynky

July 3rd, 2003, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by tbontob:
Hmmm...

Reading the Baron Grazic vs Ragnarok game I wonder if there would be any interest in a "mirror image universe".
If you are suggesting a galaxy with exact systems and planets on each "side", it has its merits. The downside, IMHO, is making a bunch of maps. Also, though people get bad breaks, it "taxes" each player as he sees what he has at his disposal and reacts/plans accordingly. Though some barriers can't be overcome no matter how good you are, for the most part, I don't think a superior player will lose to an average player even though he may start out with a slight disadvantage.

Looking over a new map each game and not knowing what the other person has at his disposal adds to the game...not subracts...IMHO.

tbontob

July 3rd, 2003, 08:04 PM

There is the added disadvantage in that the loser cannot salvage his ego by saying the other side had the better starting position.

Another, is that the poorer player has a better chance at winning against a better planer than in a mirror universe. Assuming of course he has the better starting position and that should happen about half the time.

And map preparation is a distinct disadvantage. I imagine it would take a fair amount of work to prepare a collection of maps so as to give some uncertainty to the universe the player is playing in.

That being said, the power of the computer is in its ability to perform repetitive tasks and if we wanted to, I feel certain an algorithym could be developed to make mirror image maps.

Stone Mill

July 3rd, 2003, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:
OK KOTHers, there are some really interesting games brewing at the Top of The Hill:

Asmala -vs- RexTorres
Primitive -vs- Mark the Merciful

As we all know (well, IF you read the threads... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ), Asmala, or the young upstart as he was dubbed as he made his way swiftly up the hill, battled Stone and lost in an incredible game. Now, he's on his way back. And RexTorres, whose reputation has been known for years as an expert player. This should be a great match-up!

Then, but not to dimminish, there is the rusty spear of the Primitive one -vs- the uppity English attitude of the mercililess one! Mark is undefeated in KOTH and Primitive is brutal. I have played (and lost to) both.

I don't know about everyone else, but I demand updates! ( http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

Oh, and not to turn it into any kind of national pride or anything...only one of those four live in the US. Says a LOT for the wonderful international community we have here!Great newscast. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I'm interested too. We have some seasoned vets on their second climb to the throne room, an undefeated streak, an undefeated King, and some dude in a loincloth, who has progressed impressively of late!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Slynky

July 3rd, 2003, 08:27 PM

Nice synopsis, Stone.

In my opinion, this thread is one of the most active of all. And people keep seeing it near the top of the forum and wonder, "What the hell is this KOTH stuff?" Then, reading a few accounts and looking at the KOTH site, decide why not join in the fun. I just called long distance to Canada Last night to give some tips to Kaera who wants to take the plunge (and asked for some tips).

So, good, better or best, a lot of players are in KOTH and from what I have seen, it's a small (and growing) clique of guys who have a lot of fun trying to be the King Of The Hill. Some funny accounts of games, some good tips, reports of how different people approached their game, and always good sportsmanship.

As I have said before...KOTH is the most fun I have in PBW. I tremble when I unzip a file and quickly scan for the size of the combat file (and go, "Whew!", when it's zero). I know I'm not the best player and others who join will probably feel the same way, but, ONE day, I might learn enough (and get lucky enough) to look at the others who are trying to take the crown away from me...hehe. And so will they.

Erax

July 3rd, 2003, 08:42 PM

[non-KOTH intervention] I really like the KOTH League format. I have a group of friends who meet FTF to play boardgames every so often and we always talk about doing a this league or a that league. I'm going to suggest a KOTH-type league next time the subject comes up. [/non-KOTH intervention]

Slynky

July 3rd, 2003, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by Erax:
[non-KOTH intervention] I really like the KOTH League format. I have a group of friends who meet FTF to play boardgames every so often and we always talk about doing a this league or a that league. I'm going to suggest a KOTH-type league next time the subject comes up. [/non-KOTH intervention]I grew up on board games. Starting with Tactics II and then to Blitzkreig. (to digress, became a pretty good chess player...USCF-rated "B" class amateur and many trophys). Board games KICK ***!

Having said that...the dilemma was always this...

For example, one of my favorite games was TSS (Terrible Swift Sword) by Superior Simulations. It had hundreds of counters reflecting the actual units that were at Gettysburg. Three maps that had to be layed out. Needless to say (and to make this short), it couldn't be played in a day. The problem was that a room had to be dedicated to its setup. And this is what I think has led (a bit) to the demise of the board games...it's much easier to do the same thing on a computer and just file the game away.

OK, I'm done rambling..hehe.

Asmala

July 3rd, 2003, 10:02 PM

Welcome Taera. And yes, the KOTH page was (as usual http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ) up to date so Taera's opponent is Lord Chane.

You want updates... I'll write soon a short report from my game against RexTorres.

tesco samoa

July 3rd, 2003, 10:04 PM

Ok... Will remake the maps... Did not realise there were ruins...

Taera

July 3rd, 2003, 10:18 PM

Thanks Asmala. Will decide on settings ASAP and upload the empire file.

BBegemott

July 3rd, 2003, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by thontob:
There is the added disadvantage in that the loser cannot salvage his ego by saying the other side had the better starting position.

Another, is that the poorer player has a better chance at winning against a better planer than in a mirror universe. Assuming of course he has the better starting position and that should happen about half the time.

And map preparation is a distinct disadvantage. I imagine it would take a fair amount of work to prepare a collection of maps so as to give some uncertainty to the universe the player is playing in.

That being said, the power of the computer is in its ability to perform repetitive tasks and if we wanted to, I feel certain an algorithym could be developed to make mirror image maps I have played a game (The Tug of War) which used the mirror map, created by Gandalph. If you are willing to play an absolutely equal start game- I recommend you use it. There can't be more equal start, I think.

Asmala

July 3rd, 2003, 11:03 PM

Black Hole Riders (Asmala) -vs- Rex Enclave (RexTorres) 2402.1

Things didn't look very good for Black Hole Riders. The expansion of Rex Enclave has been great. If I'm not able to break through his border systems he controls about 3/4 of the galaxy. The first battles has also occured, and the result is dim. Three planet losses, one abandoned planet and one lost colony ship for Black Hole Riders. No losses for Rex Enclave.

Slynky

July 4th, 2003, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by Asmala:
Black Hole Riders (Asmala) -vs- Rex Enclave (RexTorres) 2402.1

Things didn't look very good for Black Hole Riders. The expansion of Rex Enclave has been great. If I'm not able to break through his border systems he controls about 3/4 of the galaxy. The first battles has also occured, and the result is dim. Three planet losses, one abandoned planet and one lost colony ship for Black Hole Riders. No losses for Rex Enclave.Wow! Things look that bad after 21 turns? What's the world coming to? ( http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif )

Baron Grazic

July 4th, 2003, 01:34 AM

I think I would have to vote against an image map, basically because it would mean that you knew exactly where they started, once you knew their Race type, you would know exactly how many possible colonies they could have.
I like the option of having similar start possitions, but keeping you guessing as to details. One of the reasons I haven't looked at any of Tesco's maps yet.

And for all you lurkers out there :- Best part of Koth is the quickness. I've finished my Last 2 games in less than a week each...

Baron Grazic

July 4th, 2003, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by Asmala:
Black Hole Riders (Asmala) -vs- Rex Enclave (RexTorres) 2402.1

Things didn't look very good for Black Hole Riders. The expansion of Rex Enclave has been great. If I'm not able to break through his border systems he controls about 3/4 of the galaxy. The first battles has also occured, and the result is dim. Three planet losses, one abandoned planet and one lost colony ship for Black Hole Riders. No losses for Rex Enclave.

I don't know who to roote for. RexTorres is great player but on the other hand I haven't played Asmala, but from all accounts is great too, plus he does run the comp now.
Anyone know what the odds for a draw is? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

DavidG

July 4th, 2003, 03:18 AM

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Ok... Will remake the maps... Did not realise there were ruins...Guess I'm the only one that likes Ruins. It adds another element to the decision making process. "Do I go for the small ruins planet or the good one?" The only thing really unbalancing about them is giving a colony tech. Is it possible to make a map with the ruins only giving certain techs?

geoschmo

July 4th, 2003, 05:08 AM

I don't think that is possible David.

I don't think it's that most people don't like ruins. It's just that they are a little bit too much of a wildcard for a game like Koth. It's like instead of the winner being the one with the best strategy it becomes which one is lucky enough to get the right ruin close by.

Geoschmo

DavidG

July 4th, 2003, 05:32 AM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
It's like instead of the winner being the one with the best strategy it becomes which one is lucky enough to get the right ruin close by.
Sounds perfect. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Then maybe we all get a chance to be king. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Taera

July 4th, 2003, 05:44 AM

not a chance, im coming to throw you all off the hill! MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ July 04, 2003, 04:44: Message edited by: Taera ]

Mark the Merciful

July 4th, 2003, 12:50 PM

The Kif (Mark the Merciful) vs The Primitive Horde (Primitive) turn; 2402.1

(Standard K.O.T.H. settings)

We seem to have started a reasonable distance apart, and have now met in three different systems across the galaxy. At first my cowardly Colonist captains were running from Primitive's scouts (all that propoganda about rusty spears), but it turns out they were unarmed. We've only had one combat enounter so far, but I forsee a period of skirmishing as we try to establish firm borders.

Mark

[ July 04, 2003, 11:50: Message edited by: Mark the Merciful ]

Slynky

July 4th, 2003, 09:40 PM

Dundas Redneck Clan (Kazarp) -vs- Trithian Empire (Slynky) 2403.5

Things are happening now. Been in 2nd place for about 20 turns now. So, though score doesn't mean everything, it does give some indications of how things are going.

I've pulled a few tricks on the "Clan" like colonizing a planet near his frigates and landing with mines (that launched the turn he thought he could glass it before I could build mines) and capturing a frigate of his (though I had just gotten frigate ability http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif ). I have several boarding ships built and hope to capture some of his "breathers" that might be wondering around...*crossing fingers*.

Otherwise, he's lost a few ships to mines here and there and killed a couple of my escorts (suitable servieces were held).

But my attempt to block a few holes were too late and he has several frigates in "my" area. I was one turn late colonizing a planet that was a huge breathable to him... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif . But that's the way thing go sometimes.

Still hampered by my main shipyards (in my home system) having to move their products 4 turns just to get near the game play...UGH!

So, a few tricks here and there won't make the difference, I think. My plan is to see how long I can Last. You know, make a respectable showing...then retreat to the bottom of the hill where I seem to frequent... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif . Of course, trying to look on the bright side, at least my losses (counting the current one) have been to people who are in the top 10 on the KOTH site.

AND, hehe, I made him stay up past his bedtime...at least I'm making it a bit suspenseful for him... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

DavidG

July 5th, 2003, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
I've pulled a few tricks on the "Clan" like colonizing a planet near his frigates and landing with mines (that launched the turn he thought he could glass it before I could build minesPretty sly. I was wondering what happened there. hehe http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

tesco samoa

July 5th, 2003, 01:17 AM

new updated koth maps are up there.

verson 1.1

or the real koth

Slynky

July 5th, 2003, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by DavidG:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Slynky:
I've pulled a few tricks on the "Clan" like colonizing a planet near his frigates and landing with mines (that launched the turn he thought he could glass it before I could build minesPretty sly. I was wondering what happened there. hehe http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <hr /></blockquote>Someone once famous said, "I may be drunk but I'm not so drunk that I don't know I'm drunk."

That is a weird way of saying, I expect to see a few surprises/tricks from you as well. Failing that, brute force will probably wipe me like a raw booger... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Ragnarok

July 5th, 2003, 05:22 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
...

... You know, make a respectable showing...then retreat to the bottom of the hill where I seem to frequent... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif . Of course, trying to look on the bright side, at least my losses (counting the current one) have been to people who are in the top 10 on the KOTH site.
Hey, if you lose anytime soon you'll match up with me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif But it looks like you're in a interesting game right now. I look forward to more reports.

Slynky

July 5th, 2003, 05:25 AM

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Slynky:
...

... You know, make a respectable showing...then retreat to the bottom of the hill where I seem to frequent... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif . Of course, trying to look on the bright side, at least my losses (counting the current one) have been to people who are in the top 10 on the KOTH site.
Hey, if you lose anytime soon you'll match up with me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif But it looks like you're in a interesting game right now. I look forward to more reports.<hr /></blockquote>Well, one thing is for sure, Rags, I think it would be fun to have a game with you...hehe. You're a quality player, have lots of fun, a good sport, and, well, narrate well... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

I suspect it would be a contest of the game AND the narration...hehe.

Slynky

July 5th, 2003, 03:13 PM

Dundas Redneck Clan (Kazarp) -vs- Trithian Empire (Slynky) 2404.5

9 turns Last night ( http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ).

Of course, I seem to be putting off the inevitable slowly (or maybe NOT so slowly).

There are 2 paths into my area. (well, the most popular areas...hehe). I've tried to block them up but now, after several ship losses, I'm staring at 8 ships on one approach (destroyers, frigates, and a few LCs) and 17 ships on the other approach (destroyers and LCs). And me not with much to stop them.

Maybe Rags I will play after all... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

DavidG

July 5th, 2003, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:
Dundas Redneck Clan (Kazarp) -vs- Trithian Empire (Slynky) 2404.5

9 turns Last night ( http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ).

Of course, I seem to be putting off the inevitable slowly (or maybe NOT so slowly).

There are 2 paths into my area. (well, the most popular areas...hehe). I've tried to block them up but now, after several ship losses, I'm staring at 8 ships on one approach (destroyers, frigates, and a few LCs) and 17 ships on the other approach (destroyers and LCs). And me not with much to stop them.
Mmmmm the truth or psycological warfare... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Not to worry soon that minor ship design mistake will be fixed and they'll be on the move.

Slynky

July 5th, 2003, 05:33 PM

Joachim

July 6th, 2003, 07:23 AM

Joachim V Gandalph
2403.4

Praetor Joachim sighed. The Last few weeks had been hard for the Silesian people. All the best minds had said that the prophecies were just fairytales - designed to stop the Silesians from reaching out across the stars.
But they were true. The Tesli'k had appeared.
We responded by occupying as many worlds as we could. Our scientists strove to get more weapons to fight them off. Ships died - on both sides, many to the infernal 'mine'. The battle for survival seems to have settled in for prolonged trech warfare.
Praetor Joachim turned back to the cabinet - "Well, where do we send the battle fleet and strike them down first?"
-----
The border seems to be established between us. Mines and small skirmishes have been the only actions so far - plenty of pretty lights over new colonies! We have traded 1st place back and forth but I seem to have held it for the Last few turns - very surprising given my mud covered peasant status! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Grandpa Kim

July 6th, 2003, 08:22 PM

The forces of the GK Confederation have finally forced the surrender of the remnants of the Gozguy Empire.

Luck played a big part in this game. The initial borders seemed to split the map neatly in half but as it turned out, I had the lion's share of good systems while Goz had all the empty systems. Relentless pressure gradually forced him further and further back till an honorable surrender was his only option. I hope Goz gets a better start next time; he's a good player.

I'm ready to move up the hill and be cannon fodder for my next worthy opponent.

Slynky

July 6th, 2003, 09:13 PM

Dundas Redneck Clan (Kazarp) -vs- Trithian Empire (Slynky) 2405.8

13 turns since Last update. A lot has been happening.

He had 8 warships (with minesweepers) coming down one "alley" toward me but I was able to take care of them (with some losses). But the other side, where he had 17 ships, grew to a fleet of 27 ships with minesweeping ability of the magic 100. I tried to hold him off with fleets of 8, 6, 5, etc., but though my ships were technically superior, couldn't withstand the brute force. All I could do was chip him down bit by bit. After 6 or 7 systems were glassed, I finally killed off the fleet...except for a few stragglers (some got picked off, others didn't). Losing a huge breathable (in that run) hurt plenty!

Through all this, I have managed to stay in first place. Ship count, I'm guessing, since I have WAY (over 50... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ...can't give too much info away).

Now, I have 3 big fleets (well, the one in the east isn't so big, but it doesn't need to be). I should be able to put up some defense now and get some of my planets back. (re-colonize)

The Last event to happen was when a strange ship flew over one of my colonies and bestowed upon the population bag after bag of Big Macs. I tried to tell them to be wary of gifts from strangers but they gobbled them up and all were poisoned! We will have to endeavor to use BK Whopper retaliation!

Well, I'm still managing to be competitive. I had hoped to Last longer than any other of his opponents but when Ilooked at his record, I see he has a game that Lasted nearly 150 turns. DRAT! Guess I'll have to settle for second longest game... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[ July 06, 2003, 20:14: Message edited by: Slynky ]

Taera

July 6th, 2003, 09:19 PM

Chane's Clan (Lord Chane) vs Taera Hive Imperium (Taera)

Turn 2400.1 had just been played - the game is just starting, not much to report. Just letting you know the game is on, and for now looks promising for me http://www.solar-outpost.com/legacies/forum/images/smiles/icon_twisted.gif but thats only my opinion, i realy cant tell now what Lord Chane is up to http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Gozra

July 7th, 2003, 12:04 AM

I have surrendered to the forces of grandpa kim. You can only take being run over by a wheelchair so many times before you get discouraged. good game Kim
PS I will be a grandfather any day now my self.
I am ready for the next game
Goz

[ July 06, 2003, 23:05: Message edited by: Gozra ]

Baron Grazic

July 7th, 2003, 01:31 AM

Congrats to Grandpa Kim, and commeserations to Gozra.

Kim, unless someone else has jumped up also, it looks like we could be matched. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
It will be a good game, I've learned a lot from you in our Last (non-koth) game, and more since, and will try to put that knowledge to good use... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Standard KOTH, ALPU, Tesco's new maps?

DavidG

July 7th, 2003, 01:56 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
Dundas Redneck Clan (Kazarp) -vs- Trithian Empire (Slynky) 2405.8

Well, I'm still managing to be competitive. I had hoped to Last longer than any other of his opponents but when Ilooked at his record, I see he has a game that Lasted nearly 150 turns. DRAT! Guess I'll have to settle for second longest game... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif Hey you know you might want to consider starting to lose. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif With all these doom and gloom updates you'd better or your credibility will be shot. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Poisened Bic Macs!!! Gosh were did they come from?? Here have some nice McNuggets...

Mark the Merciful

July 7th, 2003, 02:44 AM

The Kif (Mark the Merciful) vs The Primitive Horde (Primitive) turn; 2404.4

(Standard K.O.T.H. settings)

Our efforts have been heavily concentrated in the Eastern side of the galaxy, in a group of four disputed systems. Primitive managed to colonise the systems first, but I quickly established space superiority by getting ramships into the area (knocking off a few scouts and colony ships), and then managed to be the first to start laying mines in the warp-points.

I then started to get colony ships into the disputed systems, just as Primitive's fighters began launching into space. In one system (the furthest into Primitive's territory), they managed to clear out my colony as soon as it landed, and caught another colony ship on its way. However, the rest of my colonies and most of the space lanes were protected by mines, so while he tried to seal the four systems off from my empire, but couldn't actually do much damage.

Also, I'd already researched PDC IVs, and had PD Destroyers building. In a couple of turns they arrived, and quickly cleared any Primitive fighters out of open space.

Now, after a bit more skirmishing, maneuovering and minelaying, we're starting to build real warships. Primitive has moved onto Light Carriers (built on the Attack Carrier model with 5 Heavy DUC Vs). I've got some Light Cruisers with DUC Vs and Armour III. I've managed to lure one of the first carriers into a minefield (while re-establishing my colony in the South-Easternmost system), and blow up another with a small squadron of 2 LCs and 2 PDC DDs (taking heavy damage in the process). But Primitive has a squadron of five carrierrs collected and on the move. Where are they going? Are we going to fight a real battle soon? When do we get to see some evidence of the (in)famous rusty spears?

Tune in next week, for another exciting episode of Pigs in Spaaaaaaace!

[ July 07, 2003, 01:48: Message edited by: Mark the Merciful ]

Slynky

July 7th, 2003, 04:19 AM

Originally posted by DavidG:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Slynky:
Dundas Redneck Clan (Kazarp) -vs- Trithian Empire (Slynky) 2405.8

Well, I'm still managing to be competitive. I had hoped to Last longer than any other of his opponents but when Ilooked at his record, I see he has a game that Lasted nearly 150 turns. DRAT! Guess I'll have to settle for second longest game... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif Hey you know you might want to consider starting to lose. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif With all these doom and gloom updates you'd better or your credibility will be shot. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Poisened Bic Macs!!! Gosh were did they come from?? Here have some nice McNuggets...<hr /></blockquote>Well, it took me about 10-12 turns to whittle that a big fleet of yours down. Meanwhile I've not seen any other fleets. Since your fleet was "cleaned out", it's been 4 or 5 more turns. So, I'd be rather silly to think something isn't going on that will bite my butt http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif .

And though I spread the word throughout the galaxy, my idiot population seems to be hooked on Big Macs from the skies... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[ July 07, 2003, 04:01: Message edited by: Slynky ]

Taera

July 7th, 2003, 07:24 AM

Chane's Clan (Lord Chane) vs Taera Hive Imperium (Taera) turn 2400.5

Contact made Last turn, it seems i caught him unprepared - with a fleet of frigates http://www.solar-outpost.com/legacies/forum/images/smiles/icon_twisted.gif i cant say that i'll surely be the winner but im surely getting an edge now.

tesco samoa

July 7th, 2003, 05:07 PM

K.O.T.H. Roanon vs Tescosamoa

Move Roanon up...

Turn 62

Tesco is available for the next game at the bottom.

Thanks for the game Roanon.... Good move on the quick blocks... It set me up for defeat.

P.S. That was hard playing that race.

tesco samoa

July 7th, 2003, 05:10 PM

Ragnarok it is you and i next...

how about 3 planet start and one of those new koth maps i made... ?

Slynky

July 7th, 2003, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Mark the Merciful:
The Kif (Mark the Merciful) vs The Primitive Horde (Primitive) turn; 2404.4

(Standard K.O.T.H. settings)
Hey, Mark, I'm kinda curious what ship names your are using. Your "Pigs in Space" comment makes me wonder if you using such names as, "SizzlingPork, PorkBelly, or PorkMe"... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Ragnarok

July 7th, 2003, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Ragnarok it is you and i next...

how about 3 planet start and one of those new koth maps i made... ?That sounds good. 3 planet start would be cool for a change. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Asmala

July 7th, 2003, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Ragnarok it is you and i next...Nope, GozGuy's game ended first so he'll play against Ragnarok. Your opponent is Master Belisarius, a new KOTH player. There is also another new KOTH player, Parabolize. I'd like to bid both of you welcome.

tesco samoa

July 7th, 2003, 06:30 PM

mb 3 planet start ... a tesco koth map... rest stock ????

Slynky

July 7th, 2003, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by Asmala:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Ragnarok it is you and i next...Nope, GozGuy's game ended first so he'll play against Ragnarok. Your opponent is Master Belisarius, a new KOTH player. There is also another new KOTH player, Parabolize. I'd like to bid both of you welcome.<hr /></blockquote>Welcome, Master Beliasarius and Parabolize, to the madness! It's fast and furious...and...well...not much room for mistakes. Have fun guys!

tesco samoa

July 7th, 2003, 08:16 PM

bah.. rags and I are here now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

MB eh !!!

hmmm... the losing streak could hit 3 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Slynky

July 7th, 2003, 09:26 PM

PM to Mark:

OK, I'm game. Get in touch with me.

Master Belisarius

July 8th, 2003, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
mb 3 planet start ... a tesco koth map... rest stock ????Fine with me! But... where is the link to the Tesco koth map?

Master Belisarius

July 8th, 2003, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Asmala:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Ragnarok it is you and i next...Nope, GozGuy's game ended first so he'll play against Ragnarok. Your opponent is Master Belisarius, a new KOTH player. There is also another new KOTH player, Parabolize. I'd like to bid both of you welcome.<hr /></blockquote>Welcome, Master Beliasarius and Parabolize, to the madness! It's fast and furious...and...well...not much room for mistakes. Have fun guys!<hr /></blockquote>Thanks!

Master Belisarius

July 8th, 2003, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
bah.. rags and I are here now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

MB eh !!!

hmmm... the losing streak could hit 3 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I never expect easy games, playing against humans!

Baron Grazic

July 8th, 2003, 01:19 AM

Welcome abord MB, and good luck...

Ragnarok

July 8th, 2003, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by Master Belisarius:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by tesco samoa:
mb 3 planet start ... a tesco koth map... rest stock ????Fine with me! But... where is the link to the Tesco koth map?<hr /></blockquote>The maps can be found at the PBW website in the maps download section. It's a pack of 25 different maps.

Tesco: I got a question for you regarding the maps. You made sure when you placed the starting positions that they weren't in empty systems this time correct? I hope so cause this could have a large effect on a empires early start.

[ July 08, 2003, 00:22: Message edited by: Ragnarok ]

Master Belisarius

July 8th, 2003, 01:50 AM

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Master Belisarius:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by tesco samoa:
mb 3 planet start ... a tesco koth map... rest stock ????Fine with me! But... where is the link to the Tesco koth map?<hr /></blockquote>The maps can be found at the PBW website in the maps download section. It's a pack of 25 different maps.

Tesco: I got a question for you regarding the maps. You made sure when you placed the starting positions that they weren't in empty systems this time correct? I hope so cause this could have a large effect on a empires early start.<hr /></blockquote>Thanks Ragnarok!

Master Belisarius

July 8th, 2003, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by Baron Grazic:
Welcome abord MB, and good luck...Thanks!
I would liked to join before, but because usually needed to do trips time in time (due my job), had not time to play games without hold them...
Now, seems to be that I'll not need to travel for a good time, then, I'm here!

tesco samoa

July 8th, 2003, 01:59 AM

yep no empty systems.. no ruins...

tesco samoa

July 8th, 2003, 02:00 AM

So MB 3 planet start and a koth map of the game masters choice... rest is stock ( 2000 points etc... )

i will upload my empire

geoschmo

July 8th, 2003, 05:46 AM

Geoschmo vs Cheeze turn 2410.8

108 turns and counting. Things are looking bad for me. Cheeze definetly has the advantage. I threw a fleet at him a few turns back, knowing I would lose the battle but expecting to do a little more damage then I did. I suppose I did manage to slow his fleet down some, but not sure it will be enough.

He still have not managed to crack my core systems but he's got fleets biting at the borders in four different places and he most definetly has the initiative. Every time I gather in force to face one it scatters and he starts hitting me somewhere else. I have the distinct feeling that he is simply playing with me until he is ready to launch his all out offensive. I am doing what i can to prepare for that. Time will tell I suppose.

I think this game may go on for some time yet, but only because I am too stubborn to quit. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Geoschmo

[ July 08, 2003, 04:47: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Slynky

July 8th, 2003, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Geoschmo vs Cheeze turn 2410.8

108 turns and counting. Things are looking bad for me. Cheeze definetly has the advantage. I threw a fleet at him a few turns back, knowing I would lose the battle but expecting to do a little more damage then I did. I suppose I did manage to slow his fleet down some, but not sure it will be enough.

He still have not managed to crack my core systems but he's got fleets biting at the borders in four different places and he most definetly has the initiative. Every time I gather in force to face one it scatters and he starts hitting me somewhere else. I have the distinct feeling that he is simply playing with me until he is ready to launch his all out offensive. I am doing what i can to prepare for that. Time will tell I suppose.

I think this game may go on for some time yet, but only because I am too stubborn to quit. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

GeoschmoCorrect me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the game that Cheese felt badly about around turn 40-something? (I guess I could go looking for the message but I'm too lazy... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )

geoschmo

July 8th, 2003, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the game that Cheese felt badly about around turn 40-something? (I guess I could go looking for the message but I'm too lazy... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )The message is I pretty much suck at the mid to late game. If I get a good starting position I can take out a player of average ability fairly quickly, or a player of even good ability if they have a particularly bad starting position. But without a good starting position I am useless. And regardless of starting position in a game that Last much past 75 turns I almost always lose.

Geoschmo

Cheeze

July 8th, 2003, 08:04 PM

Geoschmo vs Cheeze - Turn 2411.4

The Flora have begun moving forward on some fronts. The large battle in Cuyrok was heartening for the Flora empire, but it was by no means a certainty. The fleet was heavily damaged, and a second planet-assault fleet was almost entirely wiped out after also suffering heavy damage over a Memnorak planet. The ships needed resupply and repair. The captured Cuyrok colony allowed for both. Flora ships have moved into the neighboring system of Quesstris, which offers incredible colonization opportunities if they could be exploited. The Flora empire has never been stronger, yet is very vulnerable to any major defeat, and this makes any move one with agonizing possibilities. Perhaps 4 systems have been wrested from the Memnorak, 1 system remains contested, and 2 Flora systems are still in Memnorak control.

Geo- Playing with you? It's more like, "I can't afford to lose any fleets or ships so I must peek anywhere to find out how things look." I'm rather surprised I'm still in this game, as I figured I lacked any ability to defend myself. Do I point out I have been in first place for perhaps 7 turns the entire game? And one of those turns ain't now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ July 08, 2003, 19:25: Message edited by: Cheeze ]

Slynky

July 8th, 2003, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Slynky:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the game that Cheese felt badly about around turn 40-something? (I guess I could go looking for the message but I'm too lazy... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )The message is I pretty much suck at the mid to late game. If I get a good starting position I can take out a player of average ability fairly quickly, or a player of even good ability if they have a particularly bad starting position. But without a good starting position I am useless. And regardless of starting position in a game that Last much past 75 turns I almost always lose.

Geoschmo<hr /></blockquote>I guess I commented on it because Cheese sounded like it was looking reallll bad. It's nice to see a game turn around like that, though. (no bad feelings intended, Geo http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ).

If you look at a KOTH game like a chess game, then I would have to say I tend to be average (or so) during the opening. A little less good during the middle game. But best at the end game (the fewer pieces on the gameboard, the more I am able to recognize important squares and pieces). The trouble with my analagy is defining the opening, middle, and endgame in KOTH.

Mark the Merciful

July 9th, 2003, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
Hey, Mark, I'm kinda curious what ship names your are using. Your "Pigs in Space" comment makes me wonder if you using such names as, "SizzlingPork, PorkBelly, or PorkMe"... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Nah, we're onto ice-cream flavours this time.

[ July 08, 2003, 23:54: Message edited by: Mark the Merciful ]

Slynky

July 9th, 2003, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by Mark the Merciful:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Slynky:
Hey, Mark, I'm kinda curious what ship names your are using. Your "Pigs in Space" comment makes me wonder if you using such names as, "SizzlingPork, PorkBelly, or PorkMe"... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Nah, we're onto ice-cream flavours this time.<hr /></blockquote>Oh, NO! I can only imagine! (well, probably not http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif )

geoschmo

July 9th, 2003, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by Cheeze:
Geo- Playing with you? It's more like, "I can't afford to lose any fleets or ships so I must peek anywhere to find out how things look." I'm rather surprised I'm still in this game, as I figured I lacked any ability to defend myself. Do I point out I have been in first place for perhaps 7 turns the entire game? And one of those turns ain't now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Score means very little in most games, and even less so in Koth. You may have been in second place the entire game and only behind me by a few points the whole time. In fact I think this is rather likely as it seems every time we have a major battle where I lose a few ships you jump into first for a few turns.

Latest update - turn 2411.7

Having decided that no advantage is to be had by waiting for the Flora ships to come to us, the Memnorak have sent every ship that can be spared in Last ditch effort to take out the weeds the only way possible, at the root. The fleet of 46 ships has used the cover of a nebulae system and has already reached deeper into Flora space then any Imperium ship previously. We estimate we are within four turns of the closest Fauna homewold. Meanwhile, knowing there is no chance to stop them outright, all efforts are being made to slow the advance of the enemy forward elements. Depending on the number of ships the green ones have left to defend their core systems it may be possible to strike hard and starve them of the resources neccesary to continue the war. If not, things will be going very badly for us soon.

Geoschmo

[ July 09, 2003, 03:36: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Ragnarok

July 9th, 2003, 06:45 AM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
The message is I pretty much suck at the mid to late game. If I get a good starting position I can take out a player of average ability fairly quickly, or a player of even good ability if they have a particularly bad starting position. But without a good starting position I am useless. And regardless of starting position in a game that Last much past 75 turns I almost always lose.That's interesting because I'm the other way around. Early game is my worst time... Then as the game progresses I get better and better. So the longer the game goes the better off I'll be. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Slynky

July 9th, 2003, 06:49 PM

(shhhhhh.... I'm taking some notes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

geoschmo

July 9th, 2003, 10:18 PM

Geoschmo vs. Cheeze, 2412.2

Scratch one Flora Homeworld. Lost a few ships and not sure how much longer my fleet is gonna Last, but I got one of his homeworlds. The other two are in my sights. Gonna give it the old college try.

My fighting retreat in the north is progressing. The flower children came through a warp point expecting a big battle and found only a deserted system. If his ships need resupply they are gonna have to build their own this time.

In the south I pounced his small fleet that was capturing my planets. I am sure it's no big loss for him but it should give him something else to think about since I hadn't used capture ships previously and his war fleets have no shields, security stations, or SDD's on them. Wouldn't it be sad if his big fleet got all the way to my home system and all got captured coming through the Last warp point. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Geoschmo

geoschmo

July 9th, 2003, 10:35 PM

Geoschmo vs. Cheeze, 2412.3

Scratch two Flora homeworlds. Two down, one to go. And the small capture fleet he provided me with Last turn was put to good use recapturing my planet he had just taken. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

No matter the ultimate outcome here, it's been fun.

Geoschmo

Slynky

July 10th, 2003, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Geoschmo vs. Cheeze, 2412.3

Scratch two Flora homeworlds. Two down, one to go. And the small capture fleet he provided me with Last turn was put to good use recapturing my planet he had just taken. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

No matter the ultimate outcome here, it's been fun.

GeoschmoAnother nail-biter, I'd say. Is there a "fat lady" singing somewhere?

geoschmo

July 10th, 2003, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
Another nail-biter, I'd say. Is there a "fat lady" singing somewhere?Well, it is quite tense at the moment. He appears to be throwing caution to the wind now in an effort to take out my homesystem. I have seen little or nothing in the way of defenses in his core systems and my fleets biggest problem at the moment is a lack of supply. He managed to take out my troop ship so I have not been able to capture a planet to use as a resupply base. I think I have my problem in that area remedied now and will begin again destroying his planets soon.

Meanwhile he came at my homesystem from two different directions simultaneously. I stopped the first fleet cold. The second, larger Flora fleet is on the other side of the warp point as we speak. Everything now depends on the results of this battle. If my fleet holds at the warp point I think I will win. If I don't, I will have nothing left in a position to do anything to stop him from gutting my empire.

The next turn will tell the tale.

Geoschmo

DavidG

July 10th, 2003, 01:09 AM

Dundas Redneck Clan (Kazarp) -vs- Trithian Empire (Slynky) 2405.8

Latest update for Last 20 months or so: Nothing happening.

Military Intel suggests that the Trithian Empire are bunch of spinless cowards who will be the first up against the wall when the revolution starts. Despite their diabolical declaration of war and their 1st place status they are too cowardly to press the attack.

Baron Grazic

July 10th, 2003, 01:12 AM

Boy are those fighting words, DavidG or should I say Kazarp? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Slynky

July 10th, 2003, 02:04 AM

Originally posted by DavidG:
Dundas Redneck Clan (Kazarp) -vs- Trithian Empire (Slynky) 2405.8

Latest update for Last 20 months or so: Nothing happening.

Military Intel suggests that the Trithian Empire are bunch of spinless cowards who will be the first up against the wall when the revolution starts. Despite their diabolical declaration of war and their 1st place status they are too cowardly to press the attack.http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif , well, I didn't declare war...my people hate that stuff. They are fat and happy now (with you out of sight)... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Now, as to my cowardliness, perhaps. Surely you must be waiting at crucial points (like I am). But I have been a chess player for a LONG time. So, I have the patience to maximize my position (boring as it is). We each have about the same percentage of the galaxy, the way I view it. So, since I had a tech advantage on you the Last we fought, I thought I'd maximize it by getting all three colony types. I'll have the Last one next turn.

Now, I COULD try to bust through a point or two but you already know I'm weak on PDs on my ships and might be waiting with 20 or 30 capture ships with shield depleters. Or tons of ships with missiles on them. And satellites with missiles. Or perhaps you have been hiding fighter ability from me. So, strategically speaking, I think it's to my advantage to wait a bit. I'm expanding to 80 colonies this turn (not bad). And soon, I'll be over 100. 3 or 4 turns.

I'm sorry it's boring. But, remember, I figured I'd be dead by now and to actually have a look at the crest of the hill is worth waiting for.

And certainly, for the past 20 turns, you could have built quite a fleet. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

DavidG

July 10th, 2003, 02:27 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DavidG:
Dundas Redneck Clan (Kazarp) -vs- Trithian Empire (Slynky) 2405.8

Latest update for Last 20 months or so: Nothing happening.

Military Intel suggests that the Trithian Empire are bunch of spinless cowards who will be the first up against the wall when the revolution starts. Despite their diabolical declaration of war and their 1st place status they are too cowardly to press the attack.http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif , well, I didn't declare war...my people hate that stuff. They are fat and happy now (with you out of sight)... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Now, as to my cowardliness, perhaps. Surely you must be waiting at crucial points (like I am). But I have been a chess player for a LONG time. So, I have the patience to maximize my position (boring as it is). We each have about the same percentage of the galaxy, the way I view it. So, since I had a tech advantage on you the Last we fought, I thought I'd maximize it by getting all three colony types. I'll have the Last one next turn.

Now, I COULD try to bust through a point or two but you already know I'm weak on PDs on my ships and might be waiting with 20 or 30 capture ships with shield depleters. Or tons of ships with missiles on them. And satellites with missiles. Or perhaps you have been hiding fighter ability from me. So, strategically speaking, I think it's to my advantage to wait a bit. I'm expanding to 80 colonies this turn (not bad). And soon, I'll be over 100. 3 or 4 turns.

I'm sorry it's boring. But, remember, I figured I'd be dead by now and to actually have a look at the crest of the hill is worth waiting for.

And certainly, for the past 20 turns, you could have built quite a fleet. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif <hr /></blockquote>Bawk bawk bawk bawk. (is that how you spell the sound a chicken makes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

Slynky

July 10th, 2003, 03:10 AM

Dundas Redneck Clan (Kazarp) -vs- Trithian Empire (Slynky) 2408.1

Now, David, you wouldn't be trying to goad me into an attack unless it was to your benefit. Or a Last ditch effort.

I see now that you only have 42 colonies total. Not sure what you have been doing but you can't have been doing nothing for 25 turns or so.

Nevertheless, sorry to say, I play the game on my terms when I feel it's to my advantage. If you didn't have something to hope for, you'd surrender.

Perhaps this makes me an undesireable opponent for taking the "safe road". I apologize for that. I like exciting games, too. And for me, it's been a bit boring as well the Last 25 turns. But I am playing to win the best way I see possible.

After what's been posted here, perhaps people will groan when they are paired against me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

DavidG

July 10th, 2003, 03:24 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
[QB]Dundas Redneck Clan (Kazarp) -vs- Trithian Empire (Slynky) 2408.1

Now, David, you wouldn't be trying to goad me into an attack unless it was to your benefit. Or a Last ditch effort.

I see now that you only have 42 colonies total. Not sure what you have been doing but you can't have been doing nothing for 25 turns or so.

Nevertheless, sorry to say, I play the game on my terms when I feel it's to my advantage. If you didn't have something to hope for, you'd surrender.
[QB]What are we not allowed to make fun on the enemy here? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif (BAHH Guttless Trithian scum have 2 times as many colonies and yet they still cringe in fear of the Clan!!!)

BTW How is it you know how many colonies I have?

Slynky

July 10th, 2003, 03:36 AM

Originally posted by DavidG:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Slynky:
[QB]Dundas Redneck Clan (Kazarp) -vs- Trithian Empire (Slynky) 2408.1

Now, David, you wouldn't be trying to goad me into an attack unless it was to your benefit. Or a Last ditch effort.

I see now that you only have 42 colonies total. Not sure what you have been doing but you can't have been doing nothing for 25 turns or so.

Nevertheless, sorry to say, I play the game on my terms when I feel it's to my advantage. If you didn't have something to hope for, you'd surrender.
[QB]What are we not allowed to make fun on the enemy here? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif (BAHH Guttless Trithian scum have 2 times as many colonies and yet they still cringe in fear of the Clan!!!)

BTW How is it you know how many colonies I have?<hr /></blockquote>Well, I DO worry about what people think of me. And what kind of fun they may think about having with me in a game. And seeing your Posts, I wonder if they take it more as a comment on my style of play than just "prodding comments".

But, taking you at your word, YES, you can make fun of me...hehe. As soon as I send these 20 colony ships to their planets, I'll work on a fleet I am confident of busting through a hole and seeing just what you have planned for me. But I want to have a backup fleet of nice shiny cruisers. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif (after all, you could be just like me (at one point, I have a 100 satellites waiting for you).

As to knowing exactly how many colonies you have? One of the benefits people overlook when deciding to take Ancient race or not. We both had the same colony type at the start and I could see every time you planted a colony. THERE! Some info for those who don't know.

EDIT: Just like I now see that you have 48.

[ July 10, 2003, 02:38: Message edited by: Slynky ]

geoschmo

July 10th, 2003, 06:29 PM

Geoschmo vs Cheeze 2413.9

I have surendered to Cheeze. In the end the third FLora homewolrd was too much for me to take. I lost my entire fleet to the ships he had brought in to defend it. I have held him out of my homesystems fo rthe moment, but I have nothing left but defensive forces. Eventually he will have enough ships to get past them and the game will be over. i have nothing left that can take the fight to him and so I see no point in simply playing another dozen turns waiting for the inevitable.

Asmala please take me off the hill. I need a break.

Geoschmo

Cheeze

July 10th, 2003, 06:37 PM

Cheeze vs The Great One, Turn 2414.0

Figured I would remove my Last post and put my game wrap-up here. Geo, thanks for an outstanding game. Playing such a long game, and one with several different fronts, made this one really fun. I am surprised I won this match, as I didn't expect to early on. Seeing the whole map, I think I had the advantage in colonizable planets. I see a higher-than-usual number of gas giants, including several with my atmosphere, and I am surprised by how few rock planets there appear to be. I was denied a fantastic system until late in the game, so it never became a factor. Neither Geo nor I was able to capture the opponent's colonization tech, but each had some of the other's population.

Geo's natural merchants allowed him to develop systems more quickly. Adding his tech advancement, I was getting hit with intel when his first large fleet hit the system two away from my home system. I thought the game was over them, because he captured my planets in that system I had little defense set in my home system. Adding to that, he had run a crew insurrection so he knew my base system. I had to research intel and eventually was able to produce enough to stave off his strikes. I don't know what happened here, save that I think he may have abandoned intel. He didn't attack, and that gave me time to build and train ships. I started by attacking in different directions, and that seem to force him to divert forces to counter the strikes I made. I was making progress, capturing/holding and colonizing systems. I had several fleets, some where tiny 5-10 ship Groups that were geared to seizing or flattening planets. Geo appeard to be working to eliminate each threat individually, and I moved them back and forth into his visibility.

I'm glad I hadn't attacked in some places, because when his large fleet made their "Last run" attack, I think at any warp point my ships would have lost trying to get into his system. Once I saw he was on the move (I had the nebula mined to warn me) and I saw how large his fleet was, I knew I could jump in and start attacking his colonies. He moved faster than I thought, and was in my home system. I had few defenses, but I was lucky in some of my losing battles, because some of his sweepers and supply ships moved right into my attacking ships and fighters. That delayed him. After he had sacked most of my home system, he could have taken my Last homeworld out, as I lacked enough mines. I was emergency building and launching mines. I thought I had some security until he brought in a reserve fleet of ten ships, but what scared me was the additional minesweeper (he only had one). I wasn't safe again, and had dropped out of emergency build so I could construct a space port and resume construction, since his attack had taken my sole spaceport. I was operating with less than 50-60% of my resources. Because Geo delayed his attack, I was able to launch enough mines, and then I worried he was building sweepers. I had much of the galaxy under my control, and was building and training warships to bolster my home defense. He attacked and lost more than half his ships to mines, and the remaining ones in the battle.

My fleets had moved to outside his home system. One smaller group was destroyed by his much more powerful warships (lt cruisers vs battle cruisers and battleships). I didn't dare send my other fleet through the other warp point, since I had seen 40+ warships, and mine were a mix of lt cruisers, carriers, destroyers and frigates. I had a couple small attack Groups doing damage, but one was captured entirely by Geo. When he surrendered I was on my way to building a fleet big enough to invade (and equipped with shields to avoid capture and engine destruction), but they were quite a ways from his systems. I think Geo might have been able to circumvent some of my forward deployed forces and struck out at my colonies. With one homeworld my population was mostly between Indifferent and Unhappy, with some Rioting planets. I think that would have cut my production down, and I was occuppied with re-building. Geo had geared most of his ships for warp point defense and had many boarding ships defending. If he had those battle cruisers and ships I had glimpsed earlier (with PPB's), I think a fleet of 20-25 could have taken my large fleet.

It was a great game, and I learned that my ships neither move nor FIRE when their engines are gone. Geo used these on his planets often, and my small raiding parties were screwed up enough I had to make designs with a cargo bay so those ships could get into range and keep shooting!!! It is a game bug of sorts, because Engine Destroyers keep firing at one ship long after it has lost all its engines. They seem to switch to another target only when they reach the ship's total damage capacity.

Roanan and I have started our game. I hope I reach up as high on the hill as I did Last time!!

[ July 11, 2003, 20:05: Message edited by: Cheeze ]